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for the masses headline additionally

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july 8 1947

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the army air forces has announced that a

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flying disc has been found and

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is now in the possession of the army if

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the game is rigged

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change the game game changer

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i occasionally think how quickly our

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differences worldwide

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would vanish if we were facing an alien

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this is fade to black with your host

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jimmy church

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on the game changer radio network and

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i need your help to get to the year

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1985.

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you are listening to fate to flag with

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bespoke radio

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messes yeah man how you doing

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today is tuesday december 15

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2020. 350 days into the new year only 16

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only 10 days until christmas

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yeah man we are live from a bunker

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somewhere in the middle of beautiful

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downtown burbank california and i would

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like to welcome everybody listening all

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around the world

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all across the united states

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hither and tether to and fro back and

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the game changer network and kgra

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the planets i'm your host jimmy church

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what is cracking everybody how you doing

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how you doing i'm excited

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tonight been waiting for this show

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very special guest john burroughs is

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worrow will join us

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uap incident 40 years later

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the book releases tomorrow the links for

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um i have read the book now which is

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tomorrow night billy carson is here

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are you ready the 500 meter

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gizu province china the only significant

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of the hayabusa 2 spacecraft now the hyo

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the asteroid evidence but of course i

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birthday to today

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glad all over that's right

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carmine apace today is 74.

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actually drum tech for carmine

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he offered me a gig too he's like man

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man you're really good i got you dude

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i'm not a drum tech

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i was just hired for this one show that

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carmine apathy today 74 years old the

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on this day in history otd

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1944 legendary band leader glenn

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miller disappears over the english

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channel while enroute to france

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that had recently helped to liberate

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paris and you got to remember at that

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glenn miller was probably the biggest

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in the world that was in extremely

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in 1944 fader fact

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before becoming the first president

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of vietnam ho chi minh

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he was making boston cream pies and the

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oh man yeah yeah don't ask me where i

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this stuff but that is your fader fact

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today well tonight john burroughs is

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here he's got a new book out he

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um john is going to be with us at the

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and then at the top of the hour live

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james oro is going to join the show

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there's a very important show tonight

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and a very important book

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and it is going to release via kindle

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tomorrow december 16th and then

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uh also tomorrow uh billy carson joins

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us his new book was published last week

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woke doesn't mean broke thursday is

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another fader night

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with open lines all night long now right

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now i'm in a good mood

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i'm in a good mood congratulations uh to

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diana and kev

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and i hope to have an announcement

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sometime before the end of the show and

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with that i'm gonna hit this river moon

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rivermooncoffee.com the links are over

302
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at jimmychurchradio.com use that promo

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code

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f2b blend yeah

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it's doc man i love that coffee the best

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here we are and i i i can't believe that

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i'm saying this

308
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but we are coming up on the 40th

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anniversary

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of the rendelsham forest incident

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it's hard to believe that it's hard to

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believe nearly 40 years have passed

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since those now famous days of december

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26th through the 28th

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1980.

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now as a member of the media

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radio and talk show host tv and film

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i'm often asked about

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what are the most important ufo cases

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and or incidents on record i'm ask this

321
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all the time

322
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and i've compiled my list over the years

323
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and i've presented them but always

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at the top of that list

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randall shim forest this subject is

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important for anyone to inquire about

327
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and i get it because they have their own

328
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lists too you know they're looking for

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confirmation to their own research and

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theories and

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every time i've answered this question

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in public and private

333
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i've answered the number one case is

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rendelsham

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rfi i've never hesitated with this

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response

337
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and the reasons are solid and fact based

338
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now i'll start with this back in 1994

339
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1995 when the internet was just getting

340
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its foothold around the world

341
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i was able to listen to the original

342
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halt tapes for the first time

343
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mesmerized i spent many hours

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days analyzing every word through both

345
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radio audio and transcriptions i was

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fixated

347
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i knew that this was huge because it

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wasn't

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from someone in their backyard these

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tapes

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no this was the united states

352
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air force this was a big deal

353
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the rfi was real

354
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at that time i had heard about rfi

355
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i knew a little bit about the incident i

356
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had read most of the material that had

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been published or

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what was available it was the halt tapes

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where my journey truly started and here

360
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i am

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25 years later and my journey

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continues the question is

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why would rfi rate as number one

364
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and the answer is simple the rfi

365
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is a modern event all of the

366
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eyewitnesses are alive and can be

367
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interviewed

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the documentation is current

369
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there is the military element there is

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the political

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element and the civilian side

372
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rfi is not a distant memory from the

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past where everything is black and white

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and a little fuzzy

375
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in fact rfi is the exact opposite

376
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it's in full living color it's

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today it is now

378
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it is a matter of record that i have

379
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personally interviewed most of the

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witnesses the players and the

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personalities

382
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both in public and on the air and in

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private

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lengthy phone calls i've done all of

385
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this over the years

386
00:20:02,789 --> 00:20:01,840
all of the broadcast conversations are

387
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available for

388
00:20:07,029 --> 00:20:05,679
review online for free in the interest

389
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of full disclosure

390
00:20:11,510 --> 00:20:10,960
for the public it is through these

391
00:20:14,789 --> 00:20:11,520
various

392
00:20:17,590 --> 00:20:14,799
interviews that i along with my audience

393
00:20:19,350 --> 00:20:17,600
have learned so much about rendleshim

394
00:20:21,750 --> 00:20:19,360
and my conclusion

395
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well something happened that can't be

396
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dismissed with

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simple explanations like it was a

398
00:20:29,750 --> 00:20:26,200
lighthouse

399
00:20:33,029 --> 00:20:29,760
hallucinations or a prank

400
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every eyewitness that i have spoken with

401
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has had the events laid out pretty

402
00:20:38,710 --> 00:20:36,880
straight although there are slight

403
00:20:39,029 --> 00:20:38,720
differences in their memories that can

404
00:20:46,470 --> 00:20:39,039
be

405
00:20:48,149 --> 00:20:46,480
sure at this point how many shows i have

406
00:20:50,870 --> 00:20:48,159
done with john burroughs

407
00:20:51,430 --> 00:20:50,880
i've never counted i'm not sure about

408
00:20:53,750 --> 00:20:51,440
how many

409
00:20:54,870 --> 00:20:53,760
hours that we have logged on the phone

410
00:20:58,149 --> 00:20:54,880
over the years

411
00:20:58,470 --> 00:20:58,159
but i've said this many times to be able

412
00:21:01,990 --> 00:20:58,480
to

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the most

414
00:21:08,630 --> 00:21:05,039
important events in history is both an

415
00:21:11,830 --> 00:21:08,640
honor and seriously important

416
00:21:16,070 --> 00:21:11,840
we have an opportunity as an audience

417
00:21:20,470 --> 00:21:16,080
to hear from someone who was there

418
00:21:23,669 --> 00:21:20,480
john's words his memories and emotions

419
00:21:24,710 --> 00:21:23,679
don't come second or third hand john

420
00:21:27,830 --> 00:21:24,720
burroughs was

421
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both a witness and a participant

422
00:21:33,990 --> 00:21:30,880
in the rendelsham forest incident

423
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this fact cannot be stressed

424
00:21:42,710 --> 00:21:39,120
enough back in 1995 i started to compile

425
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mental notes and questions

426
00:21:46,470 --> 00:21:44,799
that i would ask of everyone involved in

427
00:21:49,510 --> 00:21:46,480
the forest that night

428
00:21:51,830 --> 00:21:49,520
and not knowing at that time that i

429
00:21:53,990 --> 00:21:51,840
would actually be in a position to one

430
00:21:57,270 --> 00:21:54,000
day ask them

431
00:21:57,990 --> 00:21:57,280
as of now i think i have asked most of

432
00:22:01,190 --> 00:21:58,000
the questions

433
00:22:01,590 --> 00:22:01,200
but but more questions are added to this

434
00:22:03,190 --> 00:22:01,600
list

435
00:22:06,710 --> 00:22:03,200
frequently and my investigation

436
00:22:09,990 --> 00:22:06,720
continues along with all of you

437
00:22:10,950 --> 00:22:10,000
now the facts are clear something

438
00:22:13,669 --> 00:22:10,960
happened in

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above and around rendelsham forest the

440
00:22:18,310 --> 00:22:15,200
bentwaters woodbridge

441
00:22:20,230 --> 00:22:18,320
bases and there has been a massive

442
00:22:21,029 --> 00:22:20,240
cover-up to hide the truth from the

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00:22:23,590 --> 00:22:21,039
public

444
00:22:24,870 --> 00:22:23,600
this much is known and is very

445
00:22:29,590 --> 00:22:24,880
transparent

446
00:22:32,870 --> 00:22:31,990
this book that is going to be released

447
00:22:35,909 --> 00:22:32,880
tomorrow

448
00:22:37,270 --> 00:22:35,919
will help clarify much of what you and i

449
00:22:39,510 --> 00:22:37,280
have been wondering

450
00:22:41,190 --> 00:22:39,520
but it also reveals new information

451
00:22:44,070 --> 00:22:41,200
never presented before

452
00:22:44,870 --> 00:22:44,080
the contributors along with john show us

453
00:22:48,230 --> 00:22:44,880
how far

454
00:22:52,549 --> 00:22:48,240
and wide rfi goes down and continues

455
00:22:56,950 --> 00:22:55,270
so what did john and others witness that

456
00:23:00,549 --> 00:22:56,960
night

457
00:23:05,110 --> 00:23:00,559
was it a craft from not of our

458
00:23:13,669 --> 00:23:09,669
the answer is possibly was it ours

459
00:23:15,350 --> 00:23:13,679
possibly were they time travelers from

460
00:23:19,270 --> 00:23:15,360
the future

461
00:23:22,870 --> 00:23:19,280
coming back to visit us possibly

462
00:23:27,750 --> 00:23:22,880
was it a prank or a hoax probably

463
00:23:30,230 --> 00:23:27,760
not what we can do as a community

464
00:23:31,350 --> 00:23:30,240
is look at all of the facts the

465
00:23:33,990 --> 00:23:31,360
eyewitnesses

466
00:23:35,909 --> 00:23:34,000
the testimony the new evidence and push

467
00:23:37,750 --> 00:23:35,919
everything to the center of the table to

468
00:23:40,710 --> 00:23:37,760
see what we've got

469
00:23:42,870 --> 00:23:40,720
and right now we have a lot we have got

470
00:23:45,590 --> 00:23:42,880
piles of it

471
00:23:48,830 --> 00:23:45,600
now remember the last interview that i

472
00:23:55,110 --> 00:23:51,669
okay and when i was

473
00:23:58,230 --> 00:23:55,120
finished i announced everybody

474
00:23:58,710 --> 00:23:58,240
i said there you have it the best and

475
00:24:01,190 --> 00:23:58,720
last

476
00:24:02,070 --> 00:24:01,200
interview i'll ever have to do with john

477
00:24:05,269 --> 00:24:02,080
burroughs

478
00:24:07,750 --> 00:24:05,279
and at that time i meant it but i

479
00:24:09,669 --> 00:24:07,760
couldn't have been more wrong

480
00:24:11,510 --> 00:24:09,679
the best and the last with john

481
00:24:14,789 --> 00:24:11,520
burroughs has yet to come

482
00:24:17,990 --> 00:24:14,799
and this new book is just the start

483
00:24:21,110 --> 00:24:18,000
of the end game

484
00:24:24,390 --> 00:24:21,120
now that's the forward that i've written

485
00:24:26,870 --> 00:24:24,400
for this book i

486
00:24:27,669 --> 00:24:26,880
mentioned to john today and we are going

487
00:24:30,390 --> 00:24:27,679
to go through

488
00:24:31,590 --> 00:24:30,400
all of this tonight that i have now read

489
00:24:34,789 --> 00:24:31,600
this book

490
00:24:36,950 --> 00:24:34,799
three times and for me

491
00:24:39,029 --> 00:24:36,960
as a researcher that has been looking

492
00:24:42,390 --> 00:24:39,039
into this case as deep as i can

493
00:24:45,909 --> 00:24:42,400
for over 25 years this book

494
00:24:47,350 --> 00:24:45,919
has blown my mind now the book is

495
00:24:50,310 --> 00:24:47,360
presented in two parts

496
00:24:51,110 --> 00:24:50,320
tonight during the show i'm going to

497
00:24:54,230 --> 00:24:51,120
refrain

498
00:24:55,990 --> 00:24:54,240
from spoilers i'm going to do my best

499
00:24:57,669 --> 00:24:56,000
some of that has got to happen in the

500
00:25:00,230 --> 00:24:57,679
conversation and i get that

501
00:25:01,750 --> 00:25:00,240
that's not the intention of tonight but

502
00:25:05,029 --> 00:25:01,760
i'm going to stress

503
00:25:08,230 --> 00:25:05,039
with all of you for me

504
00:25:11,350 --> 00:25:08,240
i have learned so much

505
00:25:12,470 --> 00:25:11,360
the book is done in two parts it is a

506
00:25:16,149 --> 00:25:12,480
complete

507
00:25:19,430 --> 00:25:16,159
timeline of the events going through

508
00:25:23,510 --> 00:25:19,440
the 26th through the 28th

509
00:25:26,710 --> 00:25:23,520
i am completely blown away

510
00:25:28,070 --> 00:25:26,720
by all of the new information that is

511
00:25:30,230 --> 00:25:28,080
presented here

512
00:25:32,390 --> 00:25:30,240
we're going to talk to john about that

513
00:25:34,789 --> 00:25:32,400
the second half of the book

514
00:25:35,430 --> 00:25:34,799
are the revelations that have happened

515
00:25:37,750 --> 00:25:35,440
since

516
00:25:39,669 --> 00:25:37,760
and we will be talking with james worro

517
00:25:43,669 --> 00:25:39,679
tonight about all of that

518
00:25:47,029 --> 00:25:43,679
and and how it is presented here it's

519
00:25:50,070 --> 00:25:47,039
it's so important for all of us to go

520
00:25:50,870 --> 00:25:50,080
and read the book you've got to go and

521
00:25:54,710 --> 00:25:50,880
do it

522
00:25:57,990 --> 00:25:54,720
it is it is comprehensive

523
00:26:00,630 --> 00:25:58,000
the names the dates the times uh

524
00:26:01,990 --> 00:26:00,640
and everybody involved when you see it

525
00:26:05,190 --> 00:26:02,000
and it is presented

526
00:26:07,590 --> 00:26:05,200
like it is here a big big

527
00:26:08,950 --> 00:26:07,600
shout out to ronnie dugdale i know that

528
00:26:11,830 --> 00:26:08,960
he is listening now

529
00:26:12,470 --> 00:26:11,840
live from the united kingdom and i will

530
00:26:15,830 --> 00:26:12,480
have

531
00:26:19,110 --> 00:26:15,840
ronnie on the show next week to go

532
00:26:22,549 --> 00:26:19,120
through everything completely

533
00:26:23,750 --> 00:26:22,559
the names the dates and the way that it

534
00:26:26,789 --> 00:26:23,760
is laid out

535
00:26:29,269 --> 00:26:26,799
it's a page turner and it's mind-blowing

536
00:26:29,990 --> 00:26:29,279
all right so i need to stress all of

537
00:26:33,029 --> 00:26:30,000
that

538
00:26:36,630 --> 00:26:33,039
the book is an important one and

539
00:26:38,789 --> 00:26:36,640
for somebody like me and uh

540
00:26:39,990 --> 00:26:38,799
for me to be able to say to john and now

541
00:26:43,430 --> 00:26:40,000
i did this uh

542
00:26:45,110 --> 00:26:43,440
last month uh i did this two weeks ago

543
00:26:47,750 --> 00:26:45,120
and i said it again today

544
00:26:48,230 --> 00:26:47,760
for me to be in the position that i am

545
00:26:52,549 --> 00:26:48,240
in

546
00:26:55,590 --> 00:26:52,559
have

547
00:26:58,230 --> 00:26:55,600
i thought that i knew it all

548
00:26:58,630 --> 00:26:58,240
and here i find myself going through

549
00:27:01,669 --> 00:26:58,640
this

550
00:27:06,390 --> 00:27:01,679
book three times now

551
00:27:08,230 --> 00:27:06,400
page for page realizing that i don't

552
00:27:12,470 --> 00:27:08,240
know at all

553
00:27:16,310 --> 00:27:12,480
and i feel like i am visiting this

554
00:27:19,029 --> 00:27:16,320
for the very first time and that has

555
00:27:20,070 --> 00:27:19,039
not happened to me much in my life it's

556
00:27:23,430 --> 00:27:20,080
an extraordinary

557
00:27:25,830 --> 00:27:23,440
book um so with that everybody uh sit

558
00:27:27,430 --> 00:27:25,840
sit right there be patient uh when i

559
00:27:29,590 --> 00:27:27,440
come back after this short break

560
00:27:31,029 --> 00:27:29,600
and john burroughs will join us i want

561
00:27:33,029 --> 00:27:31,039
to remind everybody that

562
00:27:34,230 --> 00:27:33,039
at the top of the hour live from the

563
00:27:37,510 --> 00:27:34,240
united kingdom

564
00:27:39,830 --> 00:27:37,520
his co-author james warro joins us very

565
00:27:41,990 --> 00:27:39,840
important show tonight and then tomorrow

566
00:27:45,350 --> 00:27:42,000
night billy carson is here

567
00:27:45,750 --> 00:27:45,360
to discuss his new book woke uh doesn't

568
00:27:47,669 --> 00:27:45,760
mean

569
00:27:49,110 --> 00:27:47,679
broke with that i am going to take a

570
00:27:51,190 --> 00:27:49,120
quick short break

571
00:27:52,149 --> 00:27:51,200
this is fade to black i am your host

572
00:27:54,789 --> 00:27:52,159
jimmy church

573
00:27:56,230 --> 00:27:54,799
so excited about this evening john

574
00:27:59,110 --> 00:27:56,240
burroughs is here

575
00:28:01,590 --> 00:27:59,120
the book is called weaponization of an

576
00:28:04,710 --> 00:28:01,600
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all right welcome back fade to black i'm

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your jimmy church tonight john burroughs

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is here

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it's here to announce the release of his

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new book weaponization of

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an unidentified aerial phenomenon

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co-authored with james worrow

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hour as we approach the 40th anniversary

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of the rendelsham forest incident

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the book is available for kindle version

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pre-order today and the release

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is tomorrow december 16 2020.

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john entered the united states air force

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in 1979 served at

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27 years both in active and reserve

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he is currently usa fr retired from the

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united states air force reserve

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he had several assignments throughout

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his air force career some of these

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assignments were at luke air force base

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osan

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air force base grissom air force base

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castle air force base

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with the reserve assignments at davis

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moffman

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air force base prime beef williams air

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force base reece air force base

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and luke airs four space as ima he has

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been

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on many deployments from italy to the

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middle east most notable assignment

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though

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began in 1979 when john was assigned as

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a security police law enforcement uh

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patrolman

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at raf bent waters england i would like

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to welcome back to fade to black john

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burroughs john good evening man how are

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you

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uh yeah i'm trying to get through it man

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how's the family you guys being safe

730
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yeah we're being as safe as we can yeah

731
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it's good to hear your voice though

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and uh john you know this is the thing

733
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um you and i have discussed

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over the years uh rfi

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um and each show got better than the

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last there's no doubt about it and i

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always felt like the last one that we

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did was always

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the best i didn't expect this show

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tonight

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and the first question out of the gate

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has to be the obvious one

743
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why another book on reynoldshim from you

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or anybody else what's the importance of

745
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doing this now

746
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well a lot of things have happened even

747
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since the last book encounters

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um as far as what's happened to me

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00:35:39,510 --> 00:35:36,720
because

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i got my settlement after encounters was

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written and published

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okay through the government you know a

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lot of the stuff that was going on

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during the the book itself that was

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written you know

756
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it happened towards the end so it was

757
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too late to put it in the book as far as

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the government you know uh changing my

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dd4214 keeping my records class

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my medical records classified and stuff

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like that

762
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so in this book the lady that handled it

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for senator mccain's office

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she does a detailed account of what she

765
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went through to get

766
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my settlement from the government uh the

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lawyer that was involved

768
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you know as far as a lot of stuff took

769
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place after that book was written

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there's a lot more to

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that took place as far as the people

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showing up and

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you know the involvement with the

774
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government itself so

775
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that was part of it the other part was a

776
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lot of research from james warrow

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um on the technology was in the area and

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then there's another guy that wrote

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they came down in an investigation in

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the area which is in the book about what

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was there what we were could have

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experienced and stuff

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00:36:49,109 --> 00:36:47,280
and interesting enough colonel hall

784
00:36:51,349 --> 00:36:49,119
after reading that report

785
00:36:52,790 --> 00:36:51,359
had a lot of agreement to what was said

786
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by this guy

787
00:36:58,870 --> 00:36:56,240
and then you had the uh part of my final

788
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summarization of how it all culminated

789
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to include the fact that a lot of the

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stuff that i could talk about now i

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00:37:06,950 --> 00:37:04,160
never thought i could talk about because

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00:37:07,750 --> 00:37:06,960
of the people that came in i just it was

793
00:37:09,510 --> 00:37:07,760
kind of hard

794
00:37:11,510 --> 00:37:09,520
it was going to be hard to prove it

795
00:37:12,390 --> 00:37:11,520
until they actually opened up themselves

796
00:37:15,750 --> 00:37:12,400
prior to

797
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me having to say anything now uh

798
00:37:22,870 --> 00:37:18,960
there's so much to to discuss

799
00:37:25,990 --> 00:37:22,880
but let me ask you this the account

800
00:37:27,190 --> 00:37:26,000
uh publicly here in the book from

801
00:37:31,109 --> 00:37:27,200
mccain's office

802
00:37:33,270 --> 00:37:31,119
about the chain of events was

803
00:37:34,470 --> 00:37:33,280
something that really opened up my eyes

804
00:37:38,470 --> 00:37:34,480
and

805
00:37:40,230 --> 00:37:38,480
uh it was although

806
00:37:42,150 --> 00:37:40,240
the word i want to use is comprehensive

807
00:37:45,270 --> 00:37:42,160
because most people haven't read

808
00:37:47,990 --> 00:37:45,280
any of this before but it was almost

809
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heartbreaking too as well it was very

810
00:37:51,349 --> 00:37:48,880
heartfelt

811
00:37:52,710 --> 00:37:51,359
and when when he saw that section of the

812
00:37:54,790 --> 00:37:52,720
book come through

813
00:37:55,829 --> 00:37:54,800
did you have to relive those moments

814
00:37:59,270 --> 00:37:55,839
because

815
00:38:01,750 --> 00:37:59,280
obviously uh she and the rest of

816
00:38:03,510 --> 00:38:01,760
mccain's office

817
00:38:06,310 --> 00:38:03,520
got connected with this from an

818
00:38:09,510 --> 00:38:06,320
emotional side too as well

819
00:38:11,190 --> 00:38:09,520
well yeah no doubt because okay it it

820
00:38:12,470 --> 00:38:11,200
she describes at the beginning when i

821
00:38:13,349 --> 00:38:12,480
kind of approached her because i'd

822
00:38:16,310 --> 00:38:13,359
already

823
00:38:16,630 --> 00:38:16,320
dealt with um senator kyle's office on

824
00:38:18,950 --> 00:38:16,640
this

825
00:38:19,990 --> 00:38:18,960
started with them and then he retired

826
00:38:22,470 --> 00:38:20,000
and it was it was

827
00:38:24,150 --> 00:38:22,480
this was a fine line because you walked

828
00:38:25,190 --> 00:38:24,160
in and you had to be real careful how

829
00:38:27,670 --> 00:38:25,200
you said it

830
00:38:30,069 --> 00:38:27,680
because ufos were kind of one of those

831
00:38:32,069 --> 00:38:30,079
things that are fringes and you know

832
00:38:33,990 --> 00:38:32,079
coming in and walking in and saying hey

833
00:38:35,190 --> 00:38:34,000
you know i was injured this was what

834
00:38:38,470 --> 00:38:35,200
went on

835
00:38:39,270 --> 00:38:38,480
and it took a while but kyle's office

836
00:38:40,950 --> 00:38:39,280
was the one

837
00:38:42,790 --> 00:38:40,960
the staffer that was working on it

838
00:38:44,310 --> 00:38:42,800
realized my records were locked down and

839
00:38:45,750 --> 00:38:44,320
they were classified

840
00:38:47,430 --> 00:38:45,760
but then he retired and they couldn't

841
00:38:48,390 --> 00:38:47,440
get any further and then senator mccain

842
00:38:50,630 --> 00:38:48,400
got into it

843
00:38:53,349 --> 00:38:50,640
but that's when it really expanded with

844
00:38:54,950 --> 00:38:53,359
uh the dd4214 when they denied

845
00:38:56,950 --> 00:38:54,960
me even being in the air force when the

846
00:38:58,710 --> 00:38:56,960
event took place and all the

847
00:39:01,430 --> 00:38:58,720
things that she had to do on the phone

848
00:39:03,829 --> 00:39:01,440
and and it goes into detail in the book

849
00:39:05,670 --> 00:39:03,839
trying to build a case and a case file

850
00:39:07,109 --> 00:39:05,680
and then they pulled the plug back when

851
00:39:09,670 --> 00:39:07,119
we thought we had an agreement

852
00:39:10,150 --> 00:39:09,680
and then an ig complaint was registered

853
00:39:14,069 --> 00:39:10,160
through the

854
00:39:16,790 --> 00:39:14,079
deal and all the stuff that went

855
00:39:17,829 --> 00:39:16,800
down but yeah it was because it was very

856
00:39:19,990 --> 00:39:17,839
frustrating

857
00:39:22,470 --> 00:39:20,000
you know and believe it or not i even

858
00:39:24,630 --> 00:39:22,480
bernie sanders was involved in it but

859
00:39:26,230 --> 00:39:24,640
he uh didn't do much for me he wasn't

860
00:39:28,069 --> 00:39:26,240
very interested you know he was in

861
00:39:29,670 --> 00:39:28,079
charge of the va committee

862
00:39:31,910 --> 00:39:29,680
for the senate and he just kind of

863
00:39:34,870 --> 00:39:31,920
pooh-poohed it so yeah it was tough

864
00:39:36,630 --> 00:39:34,880
and it was really tough on her and and

865
00:39:38,870 --> 00:39:36,640
also it got to the point where senator

866
00:39:42,230 --> 00:39:38,880
mccain had to get personally involved

867
00:39:45,349 --> 00:39:42,240
it seemed that uh

868
00:39:47,270 --> 00:39:45,359
when you read her account that although

869
00:39:49,349 --> 00:39:47,280
the empathy was there

870
00:39:50,950 --> 00:39:49,359
i think they were they were pretty

871
00:39:52,310 --> 00:39:50,960
frustrated and getting a little pissed

872
00:39:54,630 --> 00:39:52,320
off weren't they and that

873
00:39:56,870 --> 00:39:54,640
that becomes a motivation for everybody

874
00:39:58,870 --> 00:39:56,880
to see this through

875
00:40:00,069 --> 00:39:58,880
right the two things that really ticked

876
00:40:03,510 --> 00:40:00,079
them off was

877
00:40:04,390 --> 00:40:03,520
when we had documents we had documents

878
00:40:06,150 --> 00:40:04,400
showing i was in

879
00:40:08,230 --> 00:40:06,160
and they just flat out the night i was

880
00:40:11,030 --> 00:40:08,240
in they just flat out tonight

881
00:40:13,030 --> 00:40:11,040
and then she even called me and i called

882
00:40:15,270 --> 00:40:13,040
back to afrpc and they said the same

883
00:40:17,670 --> 00:40:15,280
thing there's no proof that you were in

884
00:40:19,190 --> 00:40:17,680
so that was very frustrating and then

885
00:40:20,790 --> 00:40:19,200
the second part was when they thought

886
00:40:21,109 --> 00:40:20,800
they'd worked out a deal somebody had

887
00:40:23,670 --> 00:40:21,119
way

888
00:40:26,069 --> 00:40:23,680
up pulled the plug and then the doj had

889
00:40:27,750 --> 00:40:26,079
to get involved and everything else so

890
00:40:29,589 --> 00:40:27,760
you know and that's a lot of stuff

891
00:40:31,510 --> 00:40:29,599
that's never been talked about but i

892
00:40:31,829 --> 00:40:31,520
felt you know it was time to just put it

893
00:40:35,349 --> 00:40:31,839
all

894
00:40:36,550 --> 00:40:35,359
on record just how complicated it was to

895
00:40:38,390 --> 00:40:36,560
get my settlement

896
00:40:40,230 --> 00:40:38,400
and a lot of people have come back and

897
00:40:40,790 --> 00:40:40,240
said well well it had nothing to do with

898
00:40:42,950 --> 00:40:40,800
the incident

899
00:40:44,870 --> 00:40:42,960
well yeah it actually did because the

900
00:40:46,390 --> 00:40:44,880
settlement was based on documents

901
00:40:48,150 --> 00:40:46,400
provided from the incident

902
00:40:49,430 --> 00:40:48,160
itself and documents that were provided

903
00:40:52,470 --> 00:40:49,440
to me from

904
00:40:53,510 --> 00:40:52,480
an ex or a retired cia agent and stuff

905
00:40:56,150 --> 00:40:53,520
like that so

906
00:40:57,750 --> 00:40:56,160
yes it was the settlement was based off

907
00:40:59,510 --> 00:40:57,760
of me being injured in the line of duty

908
00:41:02,630 --> 00:40:59,520
and reynoldson for us

909
00:41:05,750 --> 00:41:02,640
the uh the other part of this

910
00:41:09,589 --> 00:41:05,760
is as all of this

911
00:41:11,670 --> 00:41:09,599
information finally gets compiled

912
00:41:12,870 --> 00:41:11,680
and i'm talking about let's start with

913
00:41:16,150 --> 00:41:12,880
the timeline

914
00:41:17,670 --> 00:41:16,160
where it is is put together uh in a

915
00:41:20,870 --> 00:41:17,680
linear fashion

916
00:41:21,510 --> 00:41:20,880
did you end up learning and remembering

917
00:41:24,710 --> 00:41:21,520
things

918
00:41:27,109 --> 00:41:24,720
uh that that you didn't know about or or

919
00:41:29,990 --> 00:41:27,119
have forgotten about over the years

920
00:41:30,550 --> 00:41:30,000
well yeah the timeline itself is is

921
00:41:32,470 --> 00:41:30,560
worth

922
00:41:34,230 --> 00:41:32,480
the book you know besides all the other

923
00:41:37,270 --> 00:41:34,240
stuff that's in it just because

924
00:41:38,309 --> 00:41:37,280
it it's 40 years of interviews and

925
00:41:41,109 --> 00:41:38,319
everything that

926
00:41:41,910 --> 00:41:41,119
that took place that ronnie put together

927
00:41:43,829 --> 00:41:41,920
so

928
00:41:45,190 --> 00:41:43,839
it took a lot of hard work and a long

929
00:41:47,670 --> 00:41:45,200
time to do it and

930
00:41:49,270 --> 00:41:47,680
i mean yes a little bit you know and

931
00:41:50,390 --> 00:41:49,280
there was a couple things in there that

932
00:41:52,470 --> 00:41:50,400
i never heard about

933
00:41:53,829 --> 00:41:52,480
you know because i hadn't purchased

934
00:41:55,349 --> 00:41:53,839
every book and every

935
00:41:57,109 --> 00:41:55,359
single thing that had been discussed

936
00:41:59,030 --> 00:41:57,119
about about the incident

937
00:42:00,470 --> 00:41:59,040
but you know it's well laid out you i

938
00:42:02,150 --> 00:42:00,480
don't think you'll ever get another

939
00:42:03,750 --> 00:42:02,160
timeline like this just because of the

940
00:42:04,790 --> 00:42:03,760
fact no one's going to spend the time to

941
00:42:06,870 --> 00:42:04,800
do it which

942
00:42:08,710 --> 00:42:06,880
you know ronnie did and you know and

943
00:42:11,109 --> 00:42:08,720
verified everything that he did

944
00:42:13,750 --> 00:42:11,119
and so anything that's in that timeline

945
00:42:15,670 --> 00:42:13,760
anyone who wants to dispute it can try

946
00:42:17,430 --> 00:42:15,680
but there's documentation to back up

947
00:42:18,710 --> 00:42:17,440
what was said and what was done at that

948
00:42:21,829 --> 00:42:18,720
particular moment

949
00:42:26,390 --> 00:42:21,839
huge huge praise for ronnie

950
00:42:27,510 --> 00:42:26,400
uh doug dale i i i can't imagine what is

951
00:42:30,630 --> 00:42:27,520
inside of his head

952
00:42:33,589 --> 00:42:30,640
because it is so thoroughly laid out

953
00:42:34,710 --> 00:42:33,599
and here's the thing john um and i

954
00:42:37,109 --> 00:42:34,720
brought this up to you

955
00:42:39,670 --> 00:42:37,119
earlier today we we all know the

956
00:42:41,910 --> 00:42:39,680
familiar names right penis and halt and

957
00:42:43,670 --> 00:42:41,920
and bistins and and and these names that

958
00:42:45,990 --> 00:42:43,680
are that are always tied to it

959
00:42:48,790 --> 00:42:46,000
and then you read through this timeline

960
00:42:53,109 --> 00:42:48,800
and you see that

961
00:42:55,829 --> 00:42:53,119
the names are there um but there were

962
00:42:56,230 --> 00:42:55,839
way beyond dozens and dozens and dozens

963
00:43:00,550 --> 00:42:56,240
of

964
00:43:03,030 --> 00:43:00,560
every level over those three days

965
00:43:05,190 --> 00:43:03,040
it's it's extraordinary it's just not

966
00:43:06,870 --> 00:43:05,200
you know five or six guys running around

967
00:43:09,589 --> 00:43:06,880
in the woods is it

968
00:43:11,430 --> 00:43:09,599
no no there was a lot of people involved

969
00:43:13,109 --> 00:43:11,440
you know during and even after

970
00:43:14,950 --> 00:43:13,119
you know and that's that's part of the

971
00:43:17,190 --> 00:43:14,960
timeline too not only

972
00:43:18,950 --> 00:43:17,200
the stuff that was talked about during

973
00:43:21,030 --> 00:43:18,960
but what happened after the

974
00:43:22,069 --> 00:43:21,040
incident too right up to almost present

975
00:43:24,630 --> 00:43:22,079
day have

976
00:43:25,349 --> 00:43:24,640
you started to i know that you've

977
00:43:28,390 --> 00:43:25,359
mentioned

978
00:43:30,230 --> 00:43:28,400
uh over the years where you've had uh

979
00:43:31,589 --> 00:43:30,240
spots of missing time you just don't

980
00:43:33,910 --> 00:43:31,599
remember

981
00:43:35,670 --> 00:43:33,920
you can't go back and you can't recall

982
00:43:38,710 --> 00:43:35,680
now that this is laid out

983
00:43:40,550 --> 00:43:38,720
is it helping you to start piecing this

984
00:43:41,829 --> 00:43:40,560
back together are you remembering things

985
00:43:45,190 --> 00:43:41,839
now

986
00:43:46,790 --> 00:43:45,200
no i mean as far as my encounter both

987
00:43:48,710 --> 00:43:46,800
night the two different times i

988
00:43:50,309 --> 00:43:48,720
encountered this phenomenon no i

989
00:43:51,829 --> 00:43:50,319
i don't know what happened once i got

990
00:43:54,069 --> 00:43:51,839
close to it and i

991
00:43:56,069 --> 00:43:54,079
still don't remember like the

992
00:43:57,750 --> 00:43:56,079
interrogation stuff that other people

993
00:44:00,550 --> 00:43:57,760
have claimed to have happened

994
00:44:02,309 --> 00:44:00,560
as far as you know as far as being there

995
00:44:03,990 --> 00:44:02,319
and being interrogated but

996
00:44:05,349 --> 00:44:04,000
there's been more than enough people

997
00:44:07,589 --> 00:44:05,359
that have come forward

998
00:44:09,510 --> 00:44:07,599
that have said that was there so it's

999
00:44:10,710 --> 00:44:09,520
hard to dispute it you know what i mean

1000
00:44:12,150 --> 00:44:10,720
as far as

1001
00:44:13,589 --> 00:44:12,160
i must have been i don't think so many

1002
00:44:14,630 --> 00:44:13,599
different people would have different

1003
00:44:17,510 --> 00:44:14,640
accounts but

1004
00:44:18,309 --> 00:44:17,520
i was there so something happened to us

1005
00:44:20,470 --> 00:44:18,319
you know

1006
00:44:22,069 --> 00:44:20,480
after the event where we were brought in

1007
00:44:23,430 --> 00:44:22,079
never mind the fact that you know

1008
00:44:25,510 --> 00:44:23,440
some of the stuff i think we'll get into

1009
00:44:25,990 --> 00:44:25,520
a little bit later with a certain osi

1010
00:44:29,190 --> 00:44:26,000
guy that

1011
00:44:31,670 --> 00:44:29,200
has come forward now and the whole thing

1012
00:44:33,270 --> 00:44:31,680
describes where he actually got an osi

1013
00:44:35,030 --> 00:44:33,280
agent that was directly involved to send

1014
00:44:35,990 --> 00:44:35,040
me an email and go into detail about

1015
00:44:38,710 --> 00:44:36,000
what happened

1016
00:44:39,349 --> 00:44:38,720
now i want to save that part for later

1017
00:44:42,790 --> 00:44:39,359
um

1018
00:44:45,109 --> 00:44:42,800
but that is something else that for me

1019
00:44:46,550 --> 00:44:45,119
uh i immediately called you and said now

1020
00:44:50,309 --> 00:44:46,560
wait a minute here

1021
00:44:53,349 --> 00:44:50,319
we've got i didn't know that

1022
00:44:55,190 --> 00:44:53,359
this person was so involved or it chose

1023
00:44:57,910 --> 00:44:55,200
to get in or this other brand

1024
00:44:58,630 --> 00:44:57,920
and we'll get into that in in just a bit

1025
00:45:01,430 --> 00:44:58,640
but

1026
00:45:02,309 --> 00:45:01,440
for all the other ufo researchers out

1027
00:45:04,710 --> 00:45:02,319
there

1028
00:45:05,349 --> 00:45:04,720
is this going to end up being the

1029
00:45:08,710 --> 00:45:05,359
reference

1030
00:45:12,309 --> 00:45:08,720
book for everybody to turn to uh what

1031
00:45:14,710 --> 00:45:12,319
because of the way things are laid out

1032
00:45:15,910 --> 00:45:14,720
well i mean georgina bruni actually set

1033
00:45:18,230 --> 00:45:15,920
the standard i mean

1034
00:45:20,069 --> 00:45:18,240
you can't cut down jenny randalls and

1035
00:45:21,750 --> 00:45:20,079
that group that worked on

1036
00:45:23,349 --> 00:45:21,760
worked on this stuff early on but they

1037
00:45:26,309 --> 00:45:23,359
had their hands tied behind their back

1038
00:45:28,230 --> 00:45:26,319
because so much was covered up as far as

1039
00:45:29,829 --> 00:45:28,240
the witnesses hadn't come forward no one

1040
00:45:31,670 --> 00:45:29,839
was talking hardly at all

1041
00:45:33,270 --> 00:45:31,680
and the british government was denying

1042
00:45:35,349 --> 00:45:33,280
anything took place so

1043
00:45:37,589 --> 00:45:35,359
that book you know they did their best

1044
00:45:37,910 --> 00:45:37,599
bruni brought a lot of witnesses forward

1045
00:45:40,630 --> 00:45:37,920
but

1046
00:45:41,910 --> 00:45:40,640
i feel that i don't think anybody else

1047
00:45:44,470 --> 00:45:41,920
will ever be able to

1048
00:45:47,270 --> 00:45:44,480
um do what was done here because this

1049
00:45:50,550 --> 00:45:47,280
covers a broad base of the timeline

1050
00:45:52,309 --> 00:45:50,560
uh foia you know the the

1051
00:45:54,550 --> 00:45:52,319
the weapons and stuff that were there

1052
00:45:56,630 --> 00:45:54,560
were being developed or being worked on

1053
00:45:59,589 --> 00:45:56,640
the actual phenomenon that was there the

1054
00:46:01,990 --> 00:45:59,599
report by uh when keats came down and

1055
00:46:03,589 --> 00:46:02,000
looked at everything and stuff so i i

1056
00:46:06,390 --> 00:46:03,599
think it'll be hard to do and

1057
00:46:07,190 --> 00:46:06,400
it's also written as an investigation

1058
00:46:10,390 --> 00:46:07,200
not as

1059
00:46:11,990 --> 00:46:10,400
um i i don't feel anybody else has tried

1060
00:46:13,750 --> 00:46:12,000
to investigate this

1061
00:46:15,510 --> 00:46:13,760
they just tell their story but they

1062
00:46:17,510 --> 00:46:15,520
don't really try to look at all the

1063
00:46:18,150 --> 00:46:17,520
possibilities behind it for whatever

1064
00:46:19,750 --> 00:46:18,160
reason

1065
00:46:21,750 --> 00:46:19,760
and what i think one of the things that

1066
00:46:22,550 --> 00:46:21,760
is frustrating when it comes to rental

1067
00:46:25,829 --> 00:46:22,560
shim

1068
00:46:26,790 --> 00:46:25,839
is that so much of the information is

1069
00:46:28,390 --> 00:46:26,800
scattered

1070
00:46:30,390 --> 00:46:28,400
right there's a piece that's over here

1071
00:46:33,109 --> 00:46:30,400
there's a piece but it's never been

1072
00:46:34,630 --> 00:46:33,119
you know all put together in one place

1073
00:46:36,790 --> 00:46:34,640
as a reference

1074
00:46:38,790 --> 00:46:36,800
and and so for somebody like me who

1075
00:46:42,069 --> 00:46:38,800
thinks that they know it all

1076
00:46:43,349 --> 00:46:42,079
when you read it all together put if i

1077
00:46:45,109 --> 00:46:43,359
feel like i'm

1078
00:46:48,309 --> 00:46:45,119
investigating this for the first time

1079
00:46:49,990 --> 00:46:48,319
again it's a very strange feeling

1080
00:46:51,750 --> 00:46:50,000
right because like i said the timeline

1081
00:46:53,910 --> 00:46:51,760
sets the stage and then you've got

1082
00:46:55,510 --> 00:46:53,920
the work from david clarke with all the

1083
00:46:57,030 --> 00:46:55,520
foia stuff that went on and a lot of

1084
00:47:00,230 --> 00:46:57,040
people aren't aware of

1085
00:47:01,270 --> 00:47:00,240
you know the uh the guy that did project

1086
00:47:04,630 --> 00:47:01,280
condyme

1087
00:47:06,790 --> 00:47:04,640
is um is revealed you know and

1088
00:47:07,910 --> 00:47:06,800
there's a background on him and why

1089
00:47:10,550 --> 00:47:07,920
condyme was done

1090
00:47:11,190 --> 00:47:10,560
um there's a part in there where i did a

1091
00:47:14,390 --> 00:47:11,200
foia

1092
00:47:16,870 --> 00:47:14,400
is the one i picked

1093
00:47:18,550 --> 00:47:16,880
that shows just how serious the british

1094
00:47:20,309 --> 00:47:18,560
government were about this and how much

1095
00:47:21,589 --> 00:47:20,319
of a defense nature it was with their

1096
00:47:24,069 --> 00:47:21,599
response back to me

1097
00:47:26,069 --> 00:47:24,079
on the questions that i had for them

1098
00:47:27,990 --> 00:47:26,079
about the phenomena based on documents

1099
00:47:31,349 --> 00:47:28,000
that no one else has access to

1100
00:47:32,630 --> 00:47:31,359
now other than myself right and now when

1101
00:47:35,670 --> 00:47:32,640
condyne was

1102
00:47:38,790 --> 00:47:35,680
released um and i read

1103
00:47:42,470 --> 00:47:38,800
through the report thoroughly

1104
00:47:44,710 --> 00:47:42,480
there was one spot in out of the entire

1105
00:47:47,750 --> 00:47:44,720
report that stopped me in my tracks

1106
00:47:50,150 --> 00:47:47,760
and i want you to go back and recall

1107
00:47:51,589 --> 00:47:50,160
the phone call i called you immediately

1108
00:47:53,750 --> 00:47:51,599
and went okay john

1109
00:47:55,990 --> 00:47:53,760
condine is is is is all good it's all

1110
00:47:58,870 --> 00:47:56,000
good but there's this one

1111
00:47:59,270 --> 00:47:58,880
sentence in the entire report that i

1112
00:48:02,470 --> 00:47:59,280
think

1113
00:48:03,349 --> 00:48:02,480
blows the lid off of all of this and it

1114
00:48:05,109 --> 00:48:03,359
was

1115
00:48:07,589 --> 00:48:05,119
and i'm gonna quote from the condyne

1116
00:48:09,670 --> 00:48:07,599
report it says the well-reported rental

1117
00:48:10,710 --> 00:48:09,680
shrimp forest bent waters event is an

1118
00:48:13,990 --> 00:48:10,720
example

1119
00:48:15,430 --> 00:48:14,000
where it can be postulated that several

1120
00:48:18,870 --> 00:48:15,440
observers were probably

1121
00:48:22,150 --> 00:48:18,880
exposed to uap radiation

1122
00:48:25,190 --> 00:48:22,160
for longer than normal uap

1123
00:48:27,430 --> 00:48:25,200
citing periods end quote and

1124
00:48:29,270 --> 00:48:27,440
and and i called you on john he goes

1125
00:48:32,710 --> 00:48:29,280
yeah i caught that too

1126
00:48:35,270 --> 00:48:32,720
now looking back the importance of

1127
00:48:37,510 --> 00:48:35,280
that line in the condyne report cannot

1128
00:48:40,710 --> 00:48:37,520
be stressed enough can it

1129
00:48:43,030 --> 00:48:40,720
no and the thing is is that when when i

1130
00:48:44,069 --> 00:48:43,040
caught it no one else had caught it when

1131
00:48:45,670 --> 00:48:44,079
i got the report

1132
00:48:48,069 --> 00:48:45,680
when i got told to look at the report

1133
00:48:49,589 --> 00:48:48,079
and i looked at it and i was suspect

1134
00:48:51,589 --> 00:48:49,599
at the beginning was that they added

1135
00:48:53,349 --> 00:48:51,599
later but i went back and was able to

1136
00:48:56,230 --> 00:48:53,359
research back to the point where

1137
00:48:58,630 --> 00:48:56,240
right after the content paper came out

1138
00:49:00,950 --> 00:48:58,640
isaac coy posted it on a web page

1139
00:49:01,990 --> 00:49:00,960
that said that it was there and no one

1140
00:49:03,990 --> 00:49:02,000
knew what to do with it

1141
00:49:05,349 --> 00:49:04,000
it just died right there on the spot and

1142
00:49:08,309 --> 00:49:05,359
it wasn't until

1143
00:49:10,069 --> 00:49:08,319
in 2010 i believe it was one i found

1144
00:49:12,069 --> 00:49:10,079
when i got the report and i read it

1145
00:49:13,270 --> 00:49:12,079
and all the researchers had missed it no

1146
00:49:15,430 --> 00:49:13,280
one had caught that

1147
00:49:17,589 --> 00:49:15,440
i mean let's let's be straightforward

1148
00:49:20,710 --> 00:49:17,599
even nick pope never talked about it

1149
00:49:21,510 --> 00:49:20,720
i i i couldn't figure out why because it

1150
00:49:24,790 --> 00:49:21,520
clearly

1151
00:49:28,710 --> 00:49:24,800
states to me that uh

1152
00:49:30,710 --> 00:49:28,720
the uh the knowledge of uaps the contact

1153
00:49:33,990 --> 00:49:30,720
with uaps the measurements

1154
00:49:36,309 --> 00:49:34,000
of uh radiation levels with uaps and

1155
00:49:36,630 --> 00:49:36,319
their effect on humans was documented

1156
00:49:39,670 --> 00:49:36,640
and

1157
00:49:41,510 --> 00:49:39,680
being researched right i mean it can't

1158
00:49:43,349 --> 00:49:41,520
be any clear it's in black and white

1159
00:49:45,109 --> 00:49:43,359
it's right there for everybody john

1160
00:49:46,630 --> 00:49:45,119
right and never forget the frequencies

1161
00:49:49,109 --> 00:49:46,640
that are involved and and

1162
00:49:51,109 --> 00:49:49,119
also that a lot of the report now i

1163
00:49:51,589 --> 00:49:51,119
haven't tried to get the report recently

1164
00:49:53,510 --> 00:49:51,599
but

1165
00:49:55,190 --> 00:49:53,520
even back when i looked at it a lot of

1166
00:49:56,630 --> 00:49:55,200
it was still redacted

1167
00:49:58,710 --> 00:49:56,640
you know what i mean a lot of the stuff

1168
00:50:00,150 --> 00:49:58,720
that that was with the report is still

1169
00:50:03,430 --> 00:50:00,160
redacted so

1170
00:50:05,670 --> 00:50:03,440
and some of its internation um

1171
00:50:06,870 --> 00:50:05,680
agreements so and that's part of one of

1172
00:50:09,349 --> 00:50:06,880
the foias i did

1173
00:50:11,109 --> 00:50:09,359
based off documents that no one else has

1174
00:50:12,549 --> 00:50:11,119
and questions that i had and when i went

1175
00:50:15,510 --> 00:50:12,559
straight to the mod

1176
00:50:17,270 --> 00:50:15,520
they um they they they were i think they

1177
00:50:18,230 --> 00:50:17,280
were blown away i got it one response

1178
00:50:19,829 --> 00:50:18,240
back was that every

1179
00:50:21,430 --> 00:50:19,839
i'd send them in what i do is i put

1180
00:50:23,430 --> 00:50:21,440
together a group of them every week

1181
00:50:25,190 --> 00:50:23,440
i'd send it in sunday night my time they

1182
00:50:26,710 --> 00:50:25,200
get it first thing monday morning and

1183
00:50:28,230 --> 00:50:26,720
i'll never forget one when the guy comes

1184
00:50:29,750 --> 00:50:28,240
back he says well i can answer this one

1185
00:50:31,270 --> 00:50:29,760
real easy but my colleagues are trying

1186
00:50:31,910 --> 00:50:31,280
to figure out how to answer the other

1187
00:50:34,069 --> 00:50:31,920
ones

1188
00:50:35,109 --> 00:50:34,079
well and doesn't that suggest to the

1189
00:50:39,109 --> 00:50:35,119
world

1190
00:50:42,470 --> 00:50:39,119
that uh the any question about

1191
00:50:45,750 --> 00:50:42,480
ufos or uaps uh and the

1192
00:50:48,950 --> 00:50:45,760
the existence and the reality of that is

1193
00:50:50,950 --> 00:50:48,960
is completely erased right it's here in

1194
00:50:54,630 --> 00:50:50,960
black and white it's only one

1195
00:50:57,349 --> 00:50:54,640
one line in the entire report but it is

1196
00:50:58,390 --> 00:50:57,359
an admission right there that this is a

1197
00:51:01,670 --> 00:50:58,400
reality

1198
00:51:04,150 --> 00:51:01,680
this isn't tinfoil hat stuff anymore

1199
00:51:06,230 --> 00:51:04,160
well no doubt and the big question would

1200
00:51:09,030 --> 00:51:06,240
be because he used uap

1201
00:51:10,630 --> 00:51:09,040
radiation which you know people can sit

1202
00:51:11,430 --> 00:51:10,640
there and attack reporting people have

1203
00:51:13,910 --> 00:51:11,440
done that

1204
00:51:15,430 --> 00:51:13,920
but there was a part there that where he

1205
00:51:16,710 --> 00:51:15,440
talked about these frequencies and

1206
00:51:19,349 --> 00:51:16,720
radiation

1207
00:51:21,190 --> 00:51:19,359
that no one else that hadn't been came

1208
00:51:23,510 --> 00:51:21,200
up with so what was he reading and what

1209
00:51:26,790 --> 00:51:23,520
was he studying because he had access

1210
00:51:29,190 --> 00:51:26,800
to mod files that led him to believe

1211
00:51:30,309 --> 00:51:29,200
that what we were exposed to was uap

1212
00:51:32,870 --> 00:51:30,319
radiation

1213
00:51:33,349 --> 00:51:32,880
number one but the second part was that

1214
00:51:37,670 --> 00:51:33,359
that

1215
00:51:40,150 --> 00:51:37,680
some of the other stuff in it

1216
00:51:42,150 --> 00:51:40,160
played heavily in my settlement with as

1217
00:51:44,630 --> 00:51:42,160
far as that was one of the documents

1218
00:51:46,470 --> 00:51:44,640
billy cox got to look at my settlement

1219
00:51:48,950 --> 00:51:46,480
and wrote a report on it

1220
00:51:49,750 --> 00:51:48,960
right after i got it and he he was kind

1221
00:51:53,190 --> 00:51:49,760
of

1222
00:51:57,430 --> 00:51:53,200
that

1223
00:51:58,309 --> 00:51:57,440
injured there in the line of duty with

1224
00:52:00,470 --> 00:51:58,319
the incident

1225
00:52:02,069 --> 00:52:00,480
now they don't go into exactly what

1226
00:52:03,589 --> 00:52:02,079
happened or how or why

1227
00:52:06,549 --> 00:52:03,599
and they definitely don't say you know

1228
00:52:08,710 --> 00:52:06,559
it was aliens but it was you it was that

1229
00:52:09,829 --> 00:52:08,720
one of those documents was the uap stuff

1230
00:52:11,670 --> 00:52:09,839
never mind

1231
00:52:13,190 --> 00:52:11,680
some of the stuff i got from the cia guy

1232
00:52:14,710 --> 00:52:13,200
and some other documents that now have

1233
00:52:15,589 --> 00:52:14,720
been released to the united states

1234
00:52:17,910 --> 00:52:15,599
senate

1235
00:52:20,150 --> 00:52:17,920
you know that the mccain's committee got

1236
00:52:21,829 --> 00:52:20,160
but i had those documents beforehand

1237
00:52:24,390 --> 00:52:21,839
which at the time i didn't know they

1238
00:52:25,510 --> 00:52:24,400
were they were classified documents but

1239
00:52:27,670 --> 00:52:25,520
they actually weren't they were

1240
00:52:30,950 --> 00:52:27,680
declassified for mccain's committee

1241
00:52:33,910 --> 00:52:30,960
now it is the uh

1242
00:52:35,270 --> 00:52:33,920
the comments uh from kit green when it

1243
00:52:38,710 --> 00:52:35,280
comes to

1244
00:52:41,270 --> 00:52:38,720
radiation and the lack of uh

1245
00:52:42,950 --> 00:52:41,280
the scientific study on this that there

1246
00:52:47,030 --> 00:52:42,960
are studies going on

1247
00:52:47,349 --> 00:52:47,040
but it's not as uh complete as it should

1248
00:52:49,670 --> 00:52:47,359
be

1249
00:52:51,349 --> 00:52:49,680
and more doctors and and scientists

1250
00:52:54,150 --> 00:52:51,359
should be looking into it

1251
00:52:55,030 --> 00:52:54,160
is this what kit green was referring to

1252
00:52:58,790 --> 00:52:55,040
this uap

1253
00:52:59,750 --> 00:52:58,800
radiation well yeah but the crazy thing

1254
00:53:02,069 --> 00:52:59,760
about kick green

1255
00:53:03,030 --> 00:53:02,079
was is that when he showed up it was

1256
00:53:05,589 --> 00:53:03,040
right after the

1257
00:53:07,270 --> 00:53:05,599
his citizens hearing in dc where we all

1258
00:53:08,870 --> 00:53:07,280
went and testified in front of

1259
00:53:10,870 --> 00:53:08,880
you know that congress that mocked

1260
00:53:12,870 --> 00:53:10,880
congress the retired congress people

1261
00:53:14,549 --> 00:53:12,880
and he was in touch with my lawyer

1262
00:53:16,150 --> 00:53:14,559
almost immediately afterwards and met

1263
00:53:17,109 --> 00:53:16,160
with them and then came out and saw me

1264
00:53:19,109 --> 00:53:17,119
in sedona

1265
00:53:20,549 --> 00:53:19,119
and then that's when they flew in uh

1266
00:53:23,750 --> 00:53:20,559
kelleher and

1267
00:53:26,790 --> 00:53:23,760
nolan to try and get my blood for um

1268
00:53:28,549 --> 00:53:26,800
for a dna study but the interesting

1269
00:53:31,109 --> 00:53:28,559
thing was is that

1270
00:53:32,630 --> 00:53:31,119
he just openly all of a sudden one day

1271
00:53:33,910 --> 00:53:32,640
after my settlement people were

1272
00:53:35,670 --> 00:53:33,920
questioning it

1273
00:53:37,670 --> 00:53:35,680
we didn't even know it he just sent pat

1274
00:53:39,430 --> 00:53:37,680
and i an email saying that i just

1275
00:53:41,670 --> 00:53:39,440
posted a bunch of stuff on above top

1276
00:53:44,069 --> 00:53:41,680
secret about all this

1277
00:53:45,190 --> 00:53:44,079
and that was like whoa so a lot of what

1278
00:53:47,670 --> 00:53:45,200
he said

1279
00:53:48,390 --> 00:53:47,680
we didn't even know do you know what i

1280
00:53:50,390 --> 00:53:48,400
mean

1281
00:53:52,230 --> 00:53:50,400
yeah we weren't even aware of all the

1282
00:53:54,230 --> 00:53:52,240
stuff that he laid out on above top

1283
00:53:56,309 --> 00:53:54,240
secret we had some of it

1284
00:53:57,990 --> 00:53:56,319
and we hadn't correlated at all like he

1285
00:54:00,870 --> 00:53:58,000
did so eloquently in

1286
00:54:03,109 --> 00:54:00,880
on a data above top secret site so and

1287
00:54:06,390 --> 00:54:03,119
and i guess my point being that

1288
00:54:09,030 --> 00:54:06,400
uh what kit was referencing

1289
00:54:13,829 --> 00:54:09,040
and what was in the condyne report is it

1290
00:54:17,670 --> 00:54:15,990
this guy is trying to get any

1291
00:54:18,710 --> 00:54:17,680
information out of him directly he's

1292
00:54:21,510 --> 00:54:18,720
like pulling teeth

1293
00:54:22,069 --> 00:54:21,520
you know it's like it's not that easy

1294
00:54:24,549 --> 00:54:22,079
it's

1295
00:54:26,549 --> 00:54:24,559
that was his reference to what he was

1296
00:54:28,549 --> 00:54:26,559
exp what he was aware of

1297
00:54:29,910 --> 00:54:28,559
working inside government do you

1298
00:54:32,790 --> 00:54:29,920
understand what i mean i do

1299
00:54:34,630 --> 00:54:32,800
and and what and his background and why

1300
00:54:36,150 --> 00:54:34,640
they were studying and wanting our dna

1301
00:54:38,069 --> 00:54:36,160
and different things like that

1302
00:54:39,270 --> 00:54:38,079
but it was he had worked at the weird

1303
00:54:41,109 --> 00:54:39,280
desk for the cia

1304
00:54:43,349 --> 00:54:41,119
and he was involved in all the

1305
00:54:45,990 --> 00:54:43,359
technology being developed by russia

1306
00:54:48,150 --> 00:54:46,000
and in our technology and and and was

1307
00:54:50,470 --> 00:54:48,160
involved in all that never mind

1308
00:54:52,390 --> 00:54:50,480
a little bit of it had to do with what

1309
00:54:53,430 --> 00:54:52,400
back then were called ufos now i guess

1310
00:54:56,069 --> 00:54:53,440
the new world

1311
00:54:57,910 --> 00:54:56,079
we're being used now basically is a uap

1312
00:54:59,829 --> 00:54:57,920
but he was involved in all that and he's

1313
00:55:02,470 --> 00:54:59,839
been involved in that for me forever

1314
00:55:03,670 --> 00:55:02,480
back in the 70s you know a lot of these

1315
00:55:07,030 --> 00:55:03,680
guys were

1316
00:55:10,150 --> 00:55:07,040
so directly can i say a hundred percent

1317
00:55:10,710 --> 00:55:10,160
his analysis came from condy probably

1318
00:55:12,870 --> 00:55:10,720
not

1319
00:55:14,470 --> 00:55:12,880
totally because he probably had access

1320
00:55:15,670 --> 00:55:14,480
to a lot of documents and different

1321
00:55:17,270 --> 00:55:15,680
things and different things that he'd

1322
00:55:20,710 --> 00:55:17,280
worked on and was aware of

1323
00:55:24,470 --> 00:55:20,720
do you think that i i don't know how

1324
00:55:25,510 --> 00:55:24,480
uh widely distributed inside the ufo

1325
00:55:27,750 --> 00:55:25,520
circles

1326
00:55:28,870 --> 00:55:27,760
uh you know who's been exposed to the

1327
00:55:31,750 --> 00:55:28,880
book so far

1328
00:55:33,190 --> 00:55:31,760
the release is tomorrow but do do you

1329
00:55:36,230 --> 00:55:33,200
anticipate

1330
00:55:40,150 --> 00:55:36,240
uh this yanking some people

1331
00:55:41,270 --> 00:55:40,160
in line with uh not only memories but

1332
00:55:44,309 --> 00:55:41,280
maybe

1333
00:55:47,109 --> 00:55:44,319
uh the

1334
00:55:47,990 --> 00:55:47,119
the testimony the the facts of the case

1335
00:55:51,829 --> 00:55:48,000
are going to

1336
00:55:54,150 --> 00:55:51,839
be forced into an alignment

1337
00:55:55,109 --> 00:55:54,160
you know i'd like to believe that but i

1338
00:55:56,789 --> 00:55:55,119
don't know i mean

1339
00:55:59,270 --> 00:55:56,799
these guys some of them live in their

1340
00:56:00,150 --> 00:55:59,280
own world and they have no shame in my

1341
00:56:01,670 --> 00:56:00,160
opinion

1342
00:56:03,430 --> 00:56:01,680
because they'll get called out or

1343
00:56:04,710 --> 00:56:03,440
they'll get caught you know not being

1344
00:56:07,030 --> 00:56:04,720
honest or truthful

1345
00:56:07,829 --> 00:56:07,040
or you know not getting the story right

1346
00:56:09,910 --> 00:56:07,839
and they just

1347
00:56:11,109 --> 00:56:09,920
stand their ground on it so i'm not

1348
00:56:13,750 --> 00:56:11,119
really sure

1349
00:56:14,309 --> 00:56:13,760
what i'm hoping for is is a little bit

1350
00:56:16,789 --> 00:56:14,319
different

1351
00:56:17,910 --> 00:56:16,799
um is that james is getting ready to

1352
00:56:20,950 --> 00:56:17,920
come on next hour

1353
00:56:22,710 --> 00:56:20,960
a half hour but the the technology stuff

1354
00:56:24,710 --> 00:56:22,720
i i don't think a lot of people i mean

1355
00:56:26,630 --> 00:56:24,720
nick redfern um

1356
00:56:28,630 --> 00:56:26,640
wrote a book review and and he had

1357
00:56:30,870 --> 00:56:28,640
looked into some technology and he he

1358
00:56:31,829 --> 00:56:30,880
told me he was blown away by the

1359
00:56:33,589 --> 00:56:31,839
in-depth

1360
00:56:35,270 --> 00:56:33,599
stuff on the technology that was there

1361
00:56:36,150 --> 00:56:35,280
that's been verified that what they were

1362
00:56:38,789 --> 00:56:36,160
working on

1363
00:56:39,510 --> 00:56:38,799
he wasn't even aware of all that so

1364
00:56:41,190 --> 00:56:39,520
that's what i'm

1365
00:56:43,030 --> 00:56:41,200
hoping more that maybe we'll get some

1366
00:56:44,069 --> 00:56:43,040
insight more on what was really being

1367
00:56:46,230 --> 00:56:44,079
worked on you know

1368
00:56:48,069 --> 00:56:46,240
then and you know where it's expanded to

1369
00:56:49,829 --> 00:56:48,079
now you know never mind some of the

1370
00:56:52,069 --> 00:56:49,839
stuff i saw while i was still on active

1371
00:56:55,109 --> 00:56:52,079
duty that opened my eyes up so

1372
00:56:56,069 --> 00:56:55,119
now uh i'm going to say this before we

1373
00:56:59,430 --> 00:56:56,079
get to the break

1374
00:57:00,470 --> 00:56:59,440
um i have uh i've gone back and forth

1375
00:57:03,430 --> 00:57:00,480
with rendell shim

1376
00:57:03,910 --> 00:57:03,440
i i've been pretty honest about that um

1377
00:57:06,870 --> 00:57:03,920
in that

1378
00:57:09,109 --> 00:57:06,880
is it is it is it is it aliens is it

1379
00:57:11,910 --> 00:57:09,119
time travelers right is it

1380
00:57:12,870 --> 00:57:11,920
a government project it is is it a black

1381
00:57:15,270 --> 00:57:12,880
pri

1382
00:57:17,270 --> 00:57:15,280
i i'm not and i think that i've come

1383
00:57:19,510 --> 00:57:17,280
back full circle

1384
00:57:20,870 --> 00:57:19,520
uh and i'm right back to where i was in

1385
00:57:23,270 --> 00:57:20,880
1995 man

1386
00:57:23,910 --> 00:57:23,280
i think it's aliens i i really do we'll

1387
00:57:26,549 --> 00:57:23,920
talk about

1388
00:57:26,950 --> 00:57:26,559
more about that uh with james after the

1389
00:57:29,190 --> 00:57:26,960
break

1390
00:57:30,309 --> 00:57:29,200
and we'll uh uh pick up with you a

1391
00:57:33,270 --> 00:57:30,319
little bit later

1392
00:57:34,710 --> 00:57:33,280
but i i that's that's where i'm at man

1393
00:57:35,670 --> 00:57:34,720
well can i can i give you one stand

1394
00:57:38,069 --> 00:57:35,680
before we go to break

1395
00:57:39,670 --> 00:57:38,079
sure before edgar mitchell died i was

1396
00:57:42,069 --> 00:57:39,680
able to talk to him

1397
00:57:43,030 --> 00:57:42,079
and he what he told me was towards the

1398
00:57:44,870 --> 00:57:43,040
end of when i was

1399
00:57:46,150 --> 00:57:44,880
you know taught it wasn't an interview i

1400
00:57:47,349 --> 00:57:46,160
just got on the phone i wanted to ask

1401
00:57:50,470 --> 00:57:47,359
him some questions

1402
00:57:52,390 --> 00:57:50,480
and he told me that con dying is what

1403
00:57:54,390 --> 00:57:52,400
the majority of what we're dealing with

1404
00:57:56,950 --> 00:57:54,400
is the uap

1405
00:57:58,470 --> 00:57:56,960
and that effect so he didn't say it was

1406
00:57:59,670 --> 00:57:58,480
all but he said it was the majority of

1407
00:58:01,990 --> 00:57:59,680
what we were dealing with

1408
00:58:04,069 --> 00:58:02,000
never mind that what i was exposed to

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was real and it isn't intelligent

1410
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it says that in continent but it also

1411
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was what

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the majority of what we're dealing with

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00:58:13,829 --> 00:58:11,280
it's uh such a great read

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i i'm probably gonna read this two or

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three

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uh more times it's uh it's an

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extraordinary work

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and you've got a lot to be proud of

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let's take our break right here when we

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come back after the break we'll be

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00:58:27,829 --> 00:58:24,400
joined live from the uk

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00:58:30,630 --> 00:58:27,839
john's co-author james worrow joins us

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00:58:33,270 --> 00:58:30,640
the book is released tomorrow the links

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are over at jimmychurchradio.com

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and it's it's a good one weaponization

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of an

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unidentified aerial phenomenon i'll be

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right back after this short break more

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with james

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james world and john burroughs when we

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come back stay with us

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[Music]

1560
01:04:04,950 --> 01:04:01,910
welcome back fade to block i'm your host

1561
01:04:06,789 --> 01:04:04,960
jimmy church very important show tonight

1562
01:04:08,390 --> 01:04:06,799
john burroughs is here to announce the

1563
01:04:10,710 --> 01:04:08,400
release of his new book

1564
01:04:12,230 --> 01:04:10,720
the weaponization of an unidentified

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aerial phenomenon

1566
01:04:16,789 --> 01:04:14,960
we are right here at the 40 year

1567
01:04:17,510 --> 01:04:16,799
anniversary of the rendering forest

1568
01:04:20,069 --> 01:04:17,520
incident

1569
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and now joining us live from the uk is

1570
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john's co-author james

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01:04:26,870 --> 01:04:24,880
warro james how are you man

1572
01:04:28,630 --> 01:04:26,880
oh good evening jimmy um i'm very well

1573
01:04:29,510 --> 01:04:28,640
thank you it's hard to believe that

1574
01:04:31,349 --> 01:04:29,520
you're like 8

1575
01:04:32,950 --> 01:04:31,359
000 miles away you sound like you're

1576
01:04:36,069 --> 01:04:32,960
right here with us in burbank

1577
01:04:38,829 --> 01:04:36,079
uh say hi to john john's with us too hey

1578
01:04:44,390 --> 01:04:40,870
hey

1579
01:04:45,109 --> 01:04:44,400
and uh james let me start uh here first

1580
01:04:48,069 --> 01:04:45,119
with you

1581
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um how did you uh get involved with uh

1582
01:04:54,390 --> 01:04:50,160
the book

1583
01:04:57,670 --> 01:04:54,400
of

1584
01:05:01,270 --> 01:04:57,680
being involved in john's case um

1585
01:05:04,069 --> 01:05:01,280
it it i've been involved in the ufo um

1586
01:05:04,470 --> 01:05:04,079
as a hobby as an interest you know since

1587
01:05:07,829 --> 01:05:04,480
well

1588
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since i can remember you know my mum and

1589
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dad had their own experience

1590
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when they were uh when they were younger

1591
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together

1592
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and uh from that point on my mum and dad

1593
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used to get ufo magazines and things

1594
01:05:21,349 --> 01:05:19,599
like that and i pretty much started

1595
01:05:24,470 --> 01:05:21,359
reading them from uh the year

1596
01:05:27,190 --> 01:05:24,480
dot pretty much and uh yeah and it's got

1597
01:05:29,670 --> 01:05:27,200
a long very long story short um

1598
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i had a few uh issues in my own personal

1599
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life and

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i had to leave my job and change my

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circumstances

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and i decided to go and do something

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that i really enjoyed and i went back to

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uh

1605
01:05:50,470 --> 01:05:47,119
and and i i did john reach out to you

1606
01:05:53,670 --> 01:05:50,480
how did the collaboration uh get started

1607
01:05:54,710 --> 01:05:53,680
well originally i went uh i it was i

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01:05:56,789 --> 01:05:54,720
treated myself

1609
01:05:57,990 --> 01:05:56,799
uh after being a bit ill for a while i

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01:06:00,069 --> 01:05:58,000
treated myself

1611
01:06:01,109 --> 01:06:00,079
me and my parents we went to woodbridge

1612
01:06:02,710 --> 01:06:01,119
this day

1613
01:06:04,630 --> 01:06:02,720
um to see a conference because i've

1614
01:06:05,829 --> 01:06:04,640
always been interested in now i've also

1615
01:06:08,549 --> 01:06:05,839
used to go to conferences

1616
01:06:09,029 --> 01:06:08,559
years ago uh i met pete robinson that

1617
01:06:10,549 --> 01:06:09,039
you know

1618
01:06:12,470 --> 01:06:10,559
years ago and larry warren and that

1619
01:06:14,390 --> 01:06:12,480
years ago uh

1620
01:06:15,910 --> 01:06:14,400
and um and it's just pretty much you

1621
01:06:17,589 --> 01:06:15,920
know there was a big gap

1622
01:06:19,829 --> 01:06:17,599
between getting married getting divorced

1623
01:06:23,029 --> 01:06:19,839
you know and uh getting a new house and

1624
01:06:24,710 --> 01:06:23,039
and things like that and uh and and yeah

1625
01:06:26,150 --> 01:06:24,720
and i met john there listened to him i

1626
01:06:29,190 --> 01:06:26,160
listened to richard dolan

1627
01:06:31,270 --> 01:06:29,200
and had a great great evening and

1628
01:06:32,710 --> 01:06:31,280
i just thought you know he's available

1629
01:06:33,750 --> 01:06:32,720
on facebook i think i might try and help

1630
01:06:36,470 --> 01:06:33,760
this guy the thing is

1631
01:06:39,029 --> 01:06:36,480
john's presentation at the time uh stood

1632
01:06:41,430 --> 01:06:39,039
out to me because i've never really

1633
01:06:43,270 --> 01:06:41,440
seen anything like before or been that

1634
01:06:45,190 --> 01:06:43,280
close to someone obviously speaking

1635
01:06:46,150 --> 01:06:45,200
about their experience in such depth and

1636
01:06:50,470 --> 01:06:46,160
such detail

1637
01:06:53,910 --> 01:06:50,480
and um yeah and it kind of struck a cold

1638
01:06:58,150 --> 01:06:53,920
let's just say now when he started to

1639
01:07:01,109 --> 01:06:58,160
um uh look at the technology

1640
01:07:01,829 --> 01:07:01,119
that could possibly be involved with the

1641
01:07:05,750 --> 01:07:01,839
rendel shim

1642
01:07:07,829 --> 01:07:05,760
force incident when you were uh

1643
01:07:09,750 --> 01:07:07,839
there's a before and after period

1644
01:07:12,150 --> 01:07:09,760
certainly before you

1645
01:07:13,029 --> 01:07:12,160
wrote co-wrote the book with john and

1646
01:07:16,470 --> 01:07:13,039
after

1647
01:07:19,430 --> 01:07:16,480
but what were you uh originally

1648
01:07:21,829 --> 01:07:19,440
considering uh what rental ship forest

1649
01:07:24,950 --> 01:07:21,839
was and what they encountered

1650
01:07:29,349 --> 01:07:24,960
well my my uh my own personal

1651
01:07:31,109 --> 01:07:29,359
thoughts on um growing up was

1652
01:07:33,430 --> 01:07:31,119
uh through i say my own personal

1653
01:07:34,309 --> 01:07:33,440
experience what would for instance uh

1654
01:07:36,069 --> 01:07:34,319
say for instance

1655
01:07:37,349 --> 01:07:36,079
we're dreaming you know and so for

1656
01:07:39,829 --> 01:07:37,359
instance i'm uh

1657
01:07:41,349 --> 01:07:39,839
having a dream why i'm hovering over say

1658
01:07:43,190 --> 01:07:41,359
my mum or my dad

1659
01:07:44,710 --> 01:07:43,200
um i wonder if they're awake i wonder if

1660
01:07:48,630 --> 01:07:44,720
they could actually see me

1661
01:07:50,069 --> 01:07:48,640
you know or you know um oh maybe this is

1662
01:07:51,430 --> 01:07:50,079
what some of these balls of light are

1663
01:07:53,990 --> 01:07:51,440
maybe they're people dreaming they're

1664
01:07:55,910 --> 01:07:54,000
traveling around at different points of

1665
01:07:57,670 --> 01:07:55,920
space and time and that may be and it

1666
01:07:58,549 --> 01:07:57,680
just from that point on i just sort of

1667
01:08:02,069 --> 01:07:58,559
expanded

1668
01:08:05,990 --> 01:08:02,079
this idea of um energy and light and

1669
01:08:08,630 --> 01:08:06,000
um and from there into technology and

1670
01:08:10,150 --> 01:08:08,640
from pretty much back from the early

1671
01:08:13,109 --> 01:08:10,160
1930s and 40s

1672
01:08:15,109 --> 01:08:13,119
all the way up to present day and oh

1673
01:08:15,750 --> 01:08:15,119
it's absolutely it's fascinated me as

1674
01:08:18,390 --> 01:08:15,760
much as

1675
01:08:19,189 --> 01:08:18,400
i hope it fascinates everyone else well

1676
01:08:22,630 --> 01:08:19,199
and then

1677
01:08:25,990 --> 01:08:22,640
we have after you uh

1678
01:08:27,669 --> 01:08:26,000
compiled all of this data again i want

1679
01:08:30,470 --> 01:08:27,679
to stress with everybody the book is

1680
01:08:32,070 --> 01:08:30,480
uh is written in two parts uh we have

1681
01:08:34,309 --> 01:08:32,080
the timeline in the front half of the

1682
01:08:35,990 --> 01:08:34,319
book and we have the technology

1683
01:08:37,430 --> 01:08:36,000
side of everything in the second half of

1684
01:08:40,709 --> 01:08:37,440
the book um

1685
01:08:43,910 --> 01:08:40,719
did your opinions change uh

1686
01:08:45,110 --> 01:08:43,920
and evolved uh as you started to

1687
01:08:47,590 --> 01:08:45,120
complete the book

1688
01:08:49,990 --> 01:08:47,600
were you thinking one thing before and

1689
01:08:52,470 --> 01:08:50,000
something after when it was done

1690
01:08:54,470 --> 01:08:52,480
well much of the book i would suggest

1691
01:08:55,669 --> 01:08:54,480
was probably already written it was just

1692
01:08:57,590 --> 01:08:55,679
a matter of putting

1693
01:08:59,349 --> 01:08:57,600
everything together you know all the

1694
01:09:00,309 --> 01:08:59,359
jigsaw pieces together and going right

1695
01:09:03,349 --> 01:09:00,319
this is what we've

1696
01:09:05,910 --> 01:09:03,359
this is what i think we we have here now

1697
01:09:07,110 --> 01:09:05,920
um it makes sense to me it seems to make

1698
01:09:09,349 --> 01:09:07,120
sense to john

1699
01:09:11,749 --> 01:09:09,359
um and obviously johnny is the one uh

1700
01:09:12,470 --> 01:09:11,759
who's whose experience is we're talking

1701
01:09:15,349 --> 01:09:12,480
about here

1702
01:09:16,470 --> 01:09:15,359
um you know i'm not going to say that

1703
01:09:18,470 --> 01:09:16,480
everything is 100

1704
01:09:19,910 --> 01:09:18,480
correct i'm not going to you know at the

1705
01:09:20,789 --> 01:09:19,920
end of the day it's information that's

1706
01:09:24,229 --> 01:09:20,799
there

1707
01:09:27,430 --> 01:09:24,239
that i i've researched and i know that

1708
01:09:29,430 --> 01:09:27,440
i know basically that the

1709
01:09:30,630 --> 01:09:29,440
without without spoiling too much

1710
01:09:33,269 --> 01:09:30,640
there's going to be a few

1711
01:09:35,030 --> 01:09:33,279
um little documents in that i'm going to

1712
01:09:36,789 --> 01:09:35,040
be releasing on my web page

1713
01:09:38,789 --> 01:09:36,799
soon after the book's released hopefully

1714
01:09:40,630 --> 01:09:38,799
in a couple of days um

1715
01:09:42,070 --> 01:09:40,640
i only have use of one arm at the moment

1716
01:09:44,229 --> 01:09:42,080
unfortunately my left arm

1717
01:09:45,349 --> 01:09:44,239
so so i'll be putting that up and that

1718
01:09:48,550 --> 01:09:45,359
should hopefully

1719
01:09:50,870 --> 01:09:48,560
um give people more um

1720
01:09:51,669 --> 01:09:50,880
more to justify what they're actually

1721
01:09:53,829 --> 01:09:51,679
reading

1722
01:09:54,870 --> 01:09:53,839
now uh so let's get to the nuts and

1723
01:09:58,310 --> 01:09:54,880
bolts of uh

1724
01:10:01,430 --> 01:09:58,320
what we're talking about here um

1725
01:10:02,229 --> 01:10:01,440
when we talk about technology and and

1726
01:10:05,350 --> 01:10:02,239
what this

1727
01:10:06,390 --> 01:10:05,360
may be uh we're talking about what what

1728
01:10:08,950 --> 01:10:06,400
was seen

1729
01:10:10,630 --> 01:10:08,960
uh and witnessed uh at reynoldsham

1730
01:10:13,030 --> 01:10:10,640
forest

1731
01:10:14,870 --> 01:10:13,040
what what is exactly uh that we are

1732
01:10:16,870 --> 01:10:14,880
talking about

1733
01:10:18,310 --> 01:10:16,880
my personal opinion is that john

1734
01:10:21,750 --> 01:10:18,320
experienced something

1735
01:10:24,470 --> 01:10:21,760
um rather inexplicable on the

1736
01:10:25,990 --> 01:10:24,480
third night on on the third night i've

1737
01:10:28,070 --> 01:10:26,000
bought what i've done i've concentrated

1738
01:10:31,110 --> 01:10:28,080
on the third night there was so much

1739
01:10:33,270 --> 01:10:31,120
has been written and so many you know uh

1740
01:10:35,270 --> 01:10:33,280
arguments and yet the third night there

1741
01:10:37,030 --> 01:10:35,280
was so much happened on the third night

1742
01:10:38,390 --> 01:10:37,040
that seems to have been put to one side

1743
01:10:41,030 --> 01:10:38,400
so i thought you know

1744
01:10:41,510 --> 01:10:41,040
let's concentrate so much more on this

1745
01:10:43,510 --> 01:10:41,520
you know

1746
01:10:45,189 --> 01:10:43,520
at first i was getting involved on both

1747
01:10:47,189 --> 01:10:45,199
nights you know um

1748
01:10:48,390 --> 01:10:47,199
but in the end i've just had to pull to

1749
01:10:49,830 --> 01:10:48,400
one side and say look let's just i'm

1750
01:10:50,310 --> 01:10:49,840
just going to concentrate on this one

1751
01:10:51,830 --> 01:10:50,320
side

1752
01:10:53,590 --> 01:10:51,840
i can't help both people at the same

1753
01:10:54,149 --> 01:10:53,600
time at least i can help one person you

1754
01:10:55,510 --> 01:10:54,159
know

1755
01:10:57,590 --> 01:10:55,520
and that's my aim in all of this you

1756
01:10:58,149 --> 01:10:57,600
know my intention is just to help people

1757
01:11:00,470 --> 01:10:58,159
you know

1758
01:11:01,350 --> 01:11:00,480
and and so uh uh back to the point

1759
01:11:04,870 --> 01:11:01,360
though what

1760
01:11:08,470 --> 01:11:04,880
uh what is the technology that you think

1761
01:11:14,950 --> 01:11:11,590
without spoiling things um it's

1762
01:11:18,790 --> 01:11:14,960
a phenomena that i believe is actually

1763
01:11:22,390 --> 01:11:18,800
it's probably more linked to memories

1764
01:11:23,350 --> 01:11:22,400
uh and something here more local to us

1765
01:11:25,990 --> 01:11:23,360
than something

1766
01:11:26,470 --> 01:11:26,000
and i say that's necessarily you know

1767
01:11:28,790 --> 01:11:26,480
like the

1768
01:11:29,590 --> 01:11:28,800
the how do i say you know other people's

1769
01:11:32,390 --> 01:11:29,600
experience

1770
01:11:34,390 --> 01:11:32,400
these are obviously different but this

1771
01:11:37,430 --> 01:11:34,400
type of experience that john has

1772
01:11:39,030 --> 01:11:37,440
is a type of experience um that jack

1773
01:11:42,390 --> 01:11:39,040
vale describes

1774
01:11:45,270 --> 01:11:42,400
many times in his research

1775
01:11:46,310 --> 01:11:45,280
and it's a conscious based kind of uh

1776
01:11:49,750 --> 01:11:46,320
phenomena

1777
01:11:53,270 --> 01:11:49,760
and it seems to interact on a

1778
01:11:54,630 --> 01:11:53,280
kind of a memory base and again without

1779
01:11:57,910 --> 01:11:54,640
going into too much

1780
01:11:59,350 --> 01:11:57,920
uh detail it's yeah there is a basic

1781
01:12:01,189 --> 01:11:59,360
there is a phenomena

1782
01:12:02,950 --> 01:12:01,199
i believe so right now there is a

1783
01:12:05,270 --> 01:12:02,960
phenomenon and i can't wait next year to

1784
01:12:07,430 --> 01:12:05,280
actually go out and start hopefully

1785
01:12:08,709 --> 01:12:07,440
uh if my health's okay investigating it

1786
01:12:13,189 --> 01:12:08,719
myself more locally

1787
01:12:16,390 --> 01:12:13,199
well um this is

1788
01:12:19,990 --> 01:12:16,400
how could the phenomena be

1789
01:12:23,350 --> 01:12:20,000
so localized to john

1790
01:12:26,310 --> 01:12:23,360
when there were dozens of people on the

1791
01:12:28,149 --> 01:12:26,320
third night that were there

1792
01:12:30,630 --> 01:12:28,159
well i think has been referenced in

1793
01:12:33,110 --> 01:12:30,640
previous um

1794
01:12:34,149 --> 01:12:33,120
shows and discussions it seems to have a

1795
01:12:36,470 --> 01:12:34,159
link

1796
01:12:38,630 --> 01:12:36,480
john's unique dna he seems to have some

1797
01:12:41,510 --> 01:12:38,640
kind of link to this

1798
01:12:42,149 --> 01:12:41,520
and um and it's through that i believe

1799
01:12:45,669 --> 01:12:42,159
that

1800
01:12:47,590 --> 01:12:45,679
um memories uh come into the equation

1801
01:12:47,910 --> 01:12:47,600
again without giving too much away i

1802
01:12:49,990 --> 01:12:47,920
will

1803
01:12:51,430 --> 01:12:50,000
i'm prepared to just go into this a lot

1804
01:12:53,430 --> 01:12:51,440
more once the book is

1805
01:12:54,630 --> 01:12:53,440
uh is out there because um people

1806
01:12:57,350 --> 01:12:54,640
probably understand a lot

1807
01:12:57,750 --> 01:12:57,360
more than than what they were right now

1808
01:13:01,510 --> 01:12:57,760
yeah

1809
01:13:04,950 --> 01:13:01,520
and so but what i am suggesting here

1810
01:13:06,550 --> 01:13:04,960
is that uh are we

1811
01:13:08,070 --> 01:13:06,560
referring to something that is

1812
01:13:10,750 --> 01:13:08,080
interdimensional

1813
01:13:12,310 --> 01:13:10,760
uh something that is purely

1814
01:13:15,510 --> 01:13:12,320
electromagnetic

1815
01:13:18,149 --> 01:13:15,520
uh something that is light based that is

1816
01:13:18,950 --> 01:13:18,159
coming back and witnessed by everybody

1817
01:13:22,630 --> 01:13:18,960
else

1818
01:13:25,510 --> 01:13:22,640
but is directly affecting john

1819
01:13:27,510 --> 01:13:25,520
it's definitely a light based phenomena

1820
01:13:31,030 --> 01:13:27,520
and it may actually go into

1821
01:13:34,470 --> 01:13:31,040
an exotic form of light itself that is

1822
01:13:34,950 --> 01:13:34,480
um not well studied but is something

1823
01:13:38,149 --> 01:13:34,960
that

1824
01:13:43,030 --> 01:13:38,159
is i believe being studied i

1825
01:13:46,550 --> 01:13:43,040
either privately uh or you know

1826
01:13:49,350 --> 01:13:46,560
it does does this light based phenomenon

1827
01:13:51,510 --> 01:13:49,360
uh is it sentient does it have

1828
01:13:53,350 --> 01:13:51,520
intelligence

1829
01:13:54,870 --> 01:13:53,360
well that's uh that's a question in

1830
01:13:57,910 --> 01:13:54,880
itself intelligence

1831
01:14:01,350 --> 01:13:57,920
um for instance uh is

1832
01:14:03,030 --> 01:14:01,360
this phenomenon john experience is

1833
01:14:05,030 --> 01:14:03,040
if you saw a phenomenal similar to that

1834
01:14:06,870 --> 01:14:05,040
somewhere else is it the same thing or

1835
01:14:08,229 --> 01:14:06,880
is it the same type of phenomena but in

1836
01:14:10,310 --> 01:14:08,239
a different form you know

1837
01:14:12,630 --> 01:14:10,320
because what seems of what was mentioned

1838
01:14:16,229 --> 01:14:12,640
by dr kit green was

1839
01:14:19,590 --> 01:14:16,239
a mixture of frequencies emanating from

1840
01:14:23,669 --> 01:14:19,600
um an odd airform which

1841
01:14:25,830 --> 01:14:23,679
uh you know which is a combination of

1842
01:14:26,950 --> 01:14:25,840
many different which is an energetic

1843
01:14:30,870 --> 01:14:26,960
form of

1844
01:14:33,030 --> 01:14:30,880
uh you know of particles basically um

1845
01:14:34,070 --> 01:14:33,040
and how these particles actually being

1846
01:14:37,270 --> 01:14:34,080
energized

1847
01:14:38,470 --> 01:14:37,280
uh well again you have to go into the

1848
01:14:40,870 --> 01:14:38,480
book to uh

1849
01:14:42,310 --> 01:14:40,880
well let me let me toss this over to

1850
01:14:44,950 --> 01:14:42,320
john john um

1851
01:14:46,709 --> 01:14:44,960
as you're hearing this discussion what

1852
01:14:51,270 --> 01:14:46,719
is going through your mind

1853
01:14:51,990 --> 01:14:51,280
uh when um i'm suggesting i've read the

1854
01:14:54,390 --> 01:14:52,000
book right

1855
01:14:55,350 --> 01:14:54,400
where i'm suggesting that this this

1856
01:14:58,630 --> 01:14:55,360
phenomenon

1857
01:15:01,590 --> 01:14:58,640
was intelligent or sentient um

1858
01:15:02,149 --> 01:15:01,600
and it's not just a merely a trick of

1859
01:15:04,149 --> 01:15:02,159
light

1860
01:15:05,590 --> 01:15:04,159
or or something else what what goes

1861
01:15:07,430 --> 01:15:05,600
through your mind

1862
01:15:08,790 --> 01:15:07,440
well i mean if you read condy and it

1863
01:15:11,430 --> 01:15:08,800
says it is so

1864
01:15:12,149 --> 01:15:11,440
you know the report spells it out you

1865
01:15:14,070 --> 01:15:12,159
know what

1866
01:15:16,149 --> 01:15:14,080
some of it what it's capable of doing

1867
01:15:19,750 --> 01:15:16,159
and everything else um

1868
01:15:20,470 --> 01:15:19,760
and i mean yeah there there's there was

1869
01:15:23,669 --> 01:15:20,480
something there

1870
01:15:25,189 --> 01:15:23,679
it re it reacted to us um but

1871
01:15:27,030 --> 01:15:25,199
one of the things i just wanted to throw

1872
01:15:27,669 --> 01:15:27,040
in when you're asking about the book

1873
01:15:29,030 --> 01:15:27,679
itself

1874
01:15:31,430 --> 01:15:29,040
there's a couple of things that's not a

1875
01:15:33,750 --> 01:15:31,440
total spoiler the lighthouse probably

1876
01:15:36,870 --> 01:15:33,760
did was involved and you have to go in

1877
01:15:37,430 --> 01:15:36,880
and read why and the other thing is is

1878
01:15:40,870 --> 01:15:37,440
like

1879
01:15:42,070 --> 01:15:40,880
are coming out and saying well we don't

1880
01:15:43,590 --> 01:15:42,080
have anything like this

1881
01:15:45,590 --> 01:15:43,600
well that's kind of what we felt like

1882
01:15:48,229 --> 01:15:45,600
when we were out in those fields but

1883
01:15:50,070 --> 01:15:48,239
once we've gone forward now and people

1884
01:15:51,750 --> 01:15:50,080
say well what's new well it's

1885
01:15:53,270 --> 01:15:51,760
finding out what was really there what

1886
01:15:54,550 --> 01:15:53,280
they were really working on how they

1887
01:15:56,070 --> 01:15:54,560
were studying it

1888
01:15:57,990 --> 01:15:56,080
what they were looking at to make it

1889
01:15:59,910 --> 01:15:58,000
into weapons and stuff like that

1890
01:16:01,350 --> 01:15:59,920
and one of the things is the blue lights

1891
01:16:03,510 --> 01:16:01,360
and james found that

1892
01:16:04,390 --> 01:16:03,520
where the actual blue lights were

1893
01:16:06,790 --> 01:16:04,400
probably

1894
01:16:08,470 --> 01:16:06,800
what halt was seeing was plasma that

1895
01:16:09,750 --> 01:16:08,480
type of phenomena in the air being

1896
01:16:11,510 --> 01:16:09,760
controlled by lasers

1897
01:16:13,350 --> 01:16:11,520
so it wasn't the lights weren't being

1898
01:16:15,830 --> 01:16:13,360
beamed you know um

1899
01:16:16,630 --> 01:16:15,840
down they were coming from the ground up

1900
01:16:18,550 --> 01:16:16,640
and there's no

1901
01:16:20,070 --> 01:16:18,560
they were being controlled there's a

1902
01:16:22,790 --> 01:16:20,080
there's uh a few

1903
01:16:23,590 --> 01:16:22,800
points in the book um that i didn't know

1904
01:16:26,470 --> 01:16:23,600
about

1905
01:16:27,430 --> 01:16:26,480
uh it's not a spoiler or anything but uh

1906
01:16:30,709 --> 01:16:27,440
where

1907
01:16:32,950 --> 01:16:30,719
this uh there were lights

1908
01:16:36,070 --> 01:16:32,960
not only picked up by uh different

1909
01:16:38,149 --> 01:16:36,080
airports and and radars and reported

1910
01:16:39,110 --> 01:16:38,159
but the local police there were

1911
01:16:42,790 --> 01:16:39,120
witnesses

1912
01:16:43,990 --> 01:16:42,800
uh the civilians uh reports that were

1913
01:16:47,270 --> 01:16:44,000
coming in

1914
01:16:47,990 --> 01:16:47,280
uh talking about the orange balls and

1915
01:16:50,550 --> 01:16:48,000
the blue balls

1916
01:16:51,110 --> 01:16:50,560
of light uh in the sky hovering over

1917
01:16:54,390 --> 01:16:51,120
reynolds

1918
01:16:57,270 --> 01:16:54,400
forest for it to be purely a life

1919
01:16:59,430 --> 01:16:57,280
phenomenon how do we explain

1920
01:17:00,550 --> 01:16:59,440
not only the other eyewitness testimony

1921
01:17:02,870 --> 01:17:00,560
but the

1922
01:17:05,350 --> 01:17:02,880
the radar signatures that were picked up

1923
01:17:09,590 --> 01:17:05,360
multiple times

1924
01:17:12,470 --> 01:17:09,600
uh go ahead james yeah well um

1925
01:17:13,510 --> 01:17:12,480
right now what we uh what we what we do

1926
01:17:15,350 --> 01:17:13,520
have and what has been

1927
01:17:16,709 --> 01:17:15,360
uh unclassified is we can actually

1928
01:17:20,070 --> 01:17:16,719
create plasmas

1929
01:17:22,229 --> 01:17:20,080
uh artificially in the air um a similar

1930
01:17:24,149 --> 01:17:22,239
kind of energetic form in the air and

1931
01:17:24,870 --> 01:17:24,159
and we can control them from point a to

1932
01:17:26,550 --> 01:17:24,880
point b

1933
01:17:27,990 --> 01:17:26,560
so they will appear from one point and

1934
01:17:28,790 --> 01:17:28,000
then disappear and then appear somewhere

1935
01:17:31,110 --> 01:17:28,800
else

1936
01:17:32,229 --> 01:17:31,120
and now to an enemy radar that may look

1937
01:17:35,990 --> 01:17:32,239
like an aircraft

1938
01:17:37,590 --> 01:17:36,000
but to what we realize now

1939
01:17:39,110 --> 01:17:37,600
through what they've just literally

1940
01:17:40,470 --> 01:17:39,120
unclassified

1941
01:17:42,950 --> 01:17:40,480
they can actually and they're actually

1942
01:17:44,070 --> 01:17:42,960
now can control these things from actual

1943
01:17:45,990 --> 01:17:44,080
aircraft as well you know

1944
01:17:47,110 --> 01:17:46,000
like little decoys and i don't really

1945
01:17:48,950 --> 01:17:47,120
remember a while ago

1946
01:17:50,630 --> 01:17:48,960
about those large triangles that have

1947
01:17:52,070 --> 01:17:50,640
these red lights emanating from the

1948
01:17:54,550 --> 01:17:52,080
bottom and they seem to be

1949
01:17:57,189 --> 01:17:54,560
on controlled by something it sounds a

1950
01:17:59,510 --> 01:17:57,199
similar kind of technology

1951
01:18:00,310 --> 01:17:59,520
uh and i've i've talked about this a lot

1952
01:18:03,430 --> 01:18:00,320
on the show

1953
01:18:05,270 --> 01:18:03,440
and and we know that uh

1954
01:18:07,590 --> 01:18:05,280
on the american side of things this

1955
01:18:09,110 --> 01:18:07,600
technology is really being looked at

1956
01:18:10,310 --> 01:18:09,120
right now and developed there's no

1957
01:18:13,430 --> 01:18:10,320
question about it

1958
01:18:19,510 --> 01:18:13,440
was this technology uh available

1959
01:18:27,669 --> 01:18:22,709
variations variations of

1960
01:18:30,550 --> 01:18:27,679
um this technology was being looked at

1961
01:18:32,790 --> 01:18:30,560
and concepts were being put forward by

1962
01:18:36,149 --> 01:18:32,800
members of nasa including

1963
01:18:38,630 --> 01:18:36,159
alan holt um actually

1964
01:18:39,270 --> 01:18:38,640
and the paperwork quite adamantly says

1965
01:18:42,070 --> 01:18:39,280
that

1966
01:18:43,350 --> 01:18:42,080
there was actually studying interactions

1967
01:18:45,270 --> 01:18:43,360
of ufos and their

1968
01:18:46,790 --> 01:18:45,280
their you know their harmful actions on

1969
01:18:49,430 --> 01:18:46,800
humans to see if we could get any

1970
01:18:52,070 --> 01:18:49,440
information in regards to field

1971
01:18:53,830 --> 01:18:52,080
propulsion concepts for vehicles

1972
01:18:56,149 --> 01:18:53,840
to travel in interstellar space and that

1973
01:18:59,430 --> 01:18:56,159
was 1979.

1974
01:19:03,270 --> 01:18:59,440
now when we we consider all of this

1975
01:19:06,950 --> 01:19:03,280
and then we go back and talk about

1976
01:19:08,550 --> 01:19:06,960
the the eyewitness testimony especially

1977
01:19:11,189 --> 01:19:08,560
on the third night

1978
01:19:12,709 --> 01:19:11,199
where this craft takes off this craft

1979
01:19:15,430 --> 01:19:12,719
has witnessed the

1980
01:19:16,790 --> 01:19:15,440
there's a complete description of it

1981
01:19:20,470 --> 01:19:16,800
it's a bigger version

1982
01:19:22,470 --> 01:19:20,480
of what was seen on night one by john

1983
01:19:25,510 --> 01:19:22,480
and jim penniston

1984
01:19:27,350 --> 01:19:25,520
but that isn't plasma

1985
01:19:29,270 --> 01:19:27,360
right that doesn't sound like something

1986
01:19:32,229 --> 01:19:29,280
that is originating

1987
01:19:32,470 --> 01:19:32,239
uh here on earth let me jump let me jump

1988
01:19:35,189 --> 01:19:32,480
in

1989
01:19:36,310 --> 01:19:35,199
okay if you go back and study the

1990
01:19:38,790 --> 01:19:36,320
effects

1991
01:19:39,590 --> 01:19:38,800
if you look at condyne and then you look

1992
01:19:42,390 --> 01:19:39,600
at

1993
01:19:43,910 --> 01:19:42,400
like i'll give you example persinger was

1994
01:19:45,910 --> 01:19:43,920
his name he was a scientist

1995
01:19:47,430 --> 01:19:45,920
that was working with this group that he

1996
01:19:47,830 --> 01:19:47,440
did what they called the gods helmet

1997
01:19:51,830 --> 01:19:47,840
when

1998
01:19:53,669 --> 01:19:51,840
hit with the frequencies

1999
01:19:55,030 --> 01:19:53,679
you may see something that's really not

2000
01:19:58,070 --> 01:19:55,040
there that's part of

2001
01:20:01,110 --> 01:19:58,080
why the title of the book this this

2002
01:20:03,189 --> 01:20:01,120
there is a phenomenon there it's there

2003
01:20:04,149 --> 01:20:03,199
they're studying it they say it in condy

2004
01:20:05,189 --> 01:20:04,159
and they're figuring out how to

2005
01:20:07,030 --> 01:20:05,199
weaponize it

2006
01:20:09,110 --> 01:20:07,040
but it would be deception it would be

2007
01:20:10,709 --> 01:20:09,120
how to affect what you would see

2008
01:20:12,310 --> 01:20:10,719
whether you were on the ground or the

2009
01:20:14,310 --> 01:20:12,320
pilot or anything else

2010
01:20:15,590 --> 01:20:14,320
so what you think you're seeing may not

2011
01:20:16,870 --> 01:20:15,600
be what it really is

2012
01:20:18,470 --> 01:20:16,880
do you see what i'm getting at the

2013
01:20:19,669 --> 01:20:18,480
frequencies and how it affects your mind

2014
01:20:21,189 --> 01:20:19,679
and what you think you're

2015
01:20:23,030 --> 01:20:21,199
actually involved with and everything

2016
01:20:24,310 --> 01:20:23,040
like one of the things a lot of witness

2017
01:20:26,550 --> 01:20:24,320
said time slowed down

2018
01:20:27,669 --> 01:20:26,560
different things went on well that would

2019
01:20:29,830 --> 01:20:27,679
affect what you

2020
01:20:31,590 --> 01:20:29,840
remember what you see never mind the

2021
01:20:33,510 --> 01:20:31,600
fact that several people have said they

2022
01:20:34,070 --> 01:20:33,520
were interrogated including halt said we

2023
01:20:35,830 --> 01:20:34,080
were

2024
01:20:37,510 --> 01:20:35,840
and what they may have done to us you

2025
01:20:39,350 --> 01:20:37,520
know after the fact on that too

2026
01:20:40,550 --> 01:20:39,360
do you understand what i mean jimmy i i

2027
01:20:43,830 --> 01:20:40,560
do i do

2028
01:20:45,750 --> 01:20:43,840
and what i'm trying to especially when

2029
01:20:47,270 --> 01:20:45,760
you look at all of this information and

2030
01:20:50,470 --> 01:20:47,280
how it's coming at you

2031
01:20:52,470 --> 01:20:50,480
i'm trying to triangulate

2032
01:20:53,750 --> 01:20:52,480
all of the other things that went on

2033
01:20:55,510 --> 01:20:53,760
such as

2034
01:20:58,950 --> 01:20:55,520
you know beams of light coming from the

2035
01:21:01,590 --> 01:20:58,960
craft down to the weapon storage area

2036
01:21:02,629 --> 01:21:01,600
and i'm trying to figure out how these

2037
01:21:06,149 --> 01:21:02,639
two

2038
01:21:09,110 --> 01:21:06,159
uh are connected and and and i'm having

2039
01:21:10,870 --> 01:21:09,120
issues with all of that

2040
01:21:13,030 --> 01:21:10,880
well one of the things i can say and

2041
01:21:15,590 --> 01:21:13,040
james can jump in on it is

2042
01:21:16,790 --> 01:21:15,600
that where we were i was out there when

2043
01:21:19,590 --> 01:21:16,800
some of that took place

2044
01:21:20,310 --> 01:21:19,600
now again remember it's just like

2045
01:21:22,070 --> 01:21:20,320
anything else

2046
01:21:23,750 --> 01:21:22,080
if you've never experienced it before

2047
01:21:24,870 --> 01:21:23,760
you've never seen it you have nothing to

2048
01:21:26,950 --> 01:21:24,880
fall back on

2049
01:21:28,310 --> 01:21:26,960
you're going to try to correlate what

2050
01:21:29,510 --> 01:21:28,320
you're dealing with what you're seeing

2051
01:21:32,470 --> 01:21:29,520
as best you can

2052
01:21:34,149 --> 01:21:32,480
but also if you're in this like em

2053
01:21:35,350 --> 01:21:34,159
frequency bubble and all this other

2054
01:21:37,189 --> 01:21:35,360
stuff going on

2055
01:21:39,270 --> 01:21:37,199
it's the effect on the mind and like i

2056
01:21:41,350 --> 01:21:39,280
said it very well could have been

2057
01:21:43,430 --> 01:21:41,360
the beams of light won't necessarily

2058
01:21:45,270 --> 01:21:43,440
always coming from whatever it was it

2059
01:21:45,990 --> 01:21:45,280
could have been being shot up to control

2060
01:21:48,070 --> 01:21:46,000
it

2061
01:21:49,750 --> 01:21:48,080
do you understand what i mean and if

2062
01:21:51,990 --> 01:21:49,760
you're out there in that field and

2063
01:21:52,790 --> 01:21:52,000
the wind covers that pretty well in his

2064
01:21:54,070 --> 01:21:52,800
report on

2065
01:21:55,990 --> 01:21:54,080
where we were and what we would have

2066
01:21:57,510 --> 01:21:56,000
been correlated by and what would have

2067
01:21:59,110 --> 01:21:57,520
been used to affect us

2068
01:22:00,790 --> 01:21:59,120
it would it would it would alter your

2069
01:22:01,590 --> 01:22:00,800
perception which is exactly what you

2070
01:22:03,189 --> 01:22:01,600
want right

2071
01:22:04,950 --> 01:22:03,199
you want to be able to do that in the

2072
01:22:08,830 --> 01:22:04,960
field of battle but

2073
01:22:11,590 --> 01:22:08,840
how okay and so you need to

2074
01:22:12,470 --> 01:22:11,600
uh get all of this figured out in your

2075
01:22:15,430 --> 01:22:12,480
own mind

2076
01:22:17,270 --> 01:22:15,440
and how does that play into the guards

2077
01:22:17,990 --> 01:22:17,280
that were at east gate that were going

2078
01:22:19,830 --> 01:22:18,000
to the guard

2079
01:22:21,030 --> 01:22:19,840
that were making the phone calls from

2080
01:22:23,910 --> 01:22:21,040
the from the

2081
01:22:24,629 --> 01:22:23,920
the landline there and that we're seeing

2082
01:22:28,550 --> 01:22:24,639
everything

2083
01:22:29,910 --> 01:22:28,560
before the incident actually took place

2084
01:22:31,990 --> 01:22:29,920
you talked about the first night when i

2085
01:22:34,790 --> 01:22:32,000
said the first night the first night

2086
01:22:35,350 --> 01:22:34,800
and the third night it would be it would

2087
01:22:38,950 --> 01:22:35,360
just be

2088
01:22:41,590 --> 01:22:38,960
okay see now we're getting into the book

2089
01:22:42,950 --> 01:22:41,600
but but the the idea would be in james

2090
01:22:45,430 --> 01:22:42,960
comey pick back on this

2091
01:22:47,430 --> 01:22:45,440
that you had frequencies being beamed at

2092
01:22:48,390 --> 01:22:47,440
us the lighthouse was being used for

2093
01:22:49,750 --> 01:22:48,400
that and

2094
01:22:53,510 --> 01:22:49,760
there were other things that were going

2095
01:22:54,390 --> 01:22:53,520
on so maybe james compounded on how this

2096
01:22:56,470 --> 01:22:54,400
ripple effect

2097
01:22:58,149 --> 01:22:56,480
could come in actually affect us you

2098
01:23:00,310 --> 01:22:58,159
know what i mean even from back there

2099
01:23:01,669 --> 01:23:00,320
we could have been affected by what we

2100
01:23:05,189 --> 01:23:01,679
were seeing

2101
01:23:08,470 --> 01:23:05,199
so you want to jump in on that james oh

2102
01:23:11,110 --> 01:23:08,480
a spoiler spoiler spoilers it's not

2103
01:23:11,910 --> 01:23:11,120
it's not that much of a spoiler but you

2104
01:23:13,510 --> 01:23:11,920
see

2105
01:23:15,350 --> 01:23:13,520
the trouble is jimmy once i start

2106
01:23:18,310 --> 01:23:15,360
talking you can't shut me up

2107
01:23:20,709 --> 01:23:18,320
that's that's right that's my job james

2108
01:23:25,510 --> 01:23:20,719
and i'm really good at it

2109
01:23:28,709 --> 01:23:25,520
bless bless you yeah so continue

2110
01:23:33,030 --> 01:23:28,719
sorry mate ah right okay

2111
01:23:34,550 --> 01:23:33,040
um the lighthouse um

2112
01:23:36,709 --> 01:23:34,560
through documents i've obtained that

2113
01:23:38,870 --> 01:23:36,719
again i'm going to be uh uploading

2114
01:23:39,990 --> 01:23:38,880
as soon as possible once the book's

2115
01:23:43,510 --> 01:23:40,000
released

2116
01:23:47,030 --> 01:23:43,520
uh the lighthouse was actually had small

2117
01:23:48,470 --> 01:23:47,040
radar apertures attached to the uh the

2118
01:23:50,229 --> 01:23:48,480
tops of these radars

2119
01:23:52,149 --> 01:23:50,239
there was another radar further down the

2120
01:23:54,470 --> 01:23:52,159
coast and another one and there was

2121
01:23:55,350 --> 01:23:54,480
uh an installation inland it created a

2122
01:23:59,110 --> 01:23:55,360
triangular

2123
01:24:01,350 --> 01:23:59,120
a triangle uh of for incoming

2124
01:24:02,149 --> 01:24:01,360
airborne traffic uh going over certain

2125
01:24:04,470 --> 01:24:02,159
certain

2126
01:24:06,229 --> 01:24:04,480
areas and things like that and it's

2127
01:24:07,990 --> 01:24:06,239
quite possible that um

2128
01:24:09,830 --> 01:24:08,000
using electronic cap measures of

2129
01:24:13,189 --> 01:24:09,840
something may have

2130
01:24:16,310 --> 01:24:13,199
uh highlighted this uh

2131
01:24:19,990 --> 01:24:16,320
ball of light and become like a

2132
01:24:22,390 --> 01:24:20,000
a trapped in in the field literally

2133
01:24:24,870 --> 01:24:22,400
trapped in the beam and as the radar is

2134
01:24:27,350 --> 01:24:24,880
obviously maybe potentially moving

2135
01:24:29,270 --> 01:24:27,360
to try and ascertain you know uh it's

2136
01:24:31,189 --> 01:24:29,280
actually moving the light at the same

2137
01:24:33,030 --> 01:24:31,199
time and eventually the light can get

2138
01:24:35,750 --> 01:24:33,040
energized from this

2139
01:24:37,430 --> 01:24:35,760
it's like shaking a can of energy

2140
01:24:38,790 --> 01:24:37,440
particles you shake it long enough it's

2141
01:24:41,590 --> 01:24:38,800
gonna either

2142
01:24:42,950 --> 01:24:41,600
explode or it's gonna shoot off

2143
01:24:45,430 --> 01:24:42,960
somewhere it's gonna

2144
01:24:46,229 --> 01:24:45,440
it's gonna gain momentum and that's

2145
01:24:50,709 --> 01:24:46,239
pretty much

2146
01:24:51,110 --> 01:24:50,719
um what can as far as the research i've

2147
01:24:54,010 --> 01:24:51,120
made

2148
01:24:55,750 --> 01:24:54,020
it can occur sometimes now uh

2149
01:24:58,870 --> 01:24:55,760
[Music]

2150
01:25:00,149 --> 01:24:58,880
before i let you go james especially on

2151
01:25:03,350 --> 01:25:00,159
the third night

2152
01:25:05,350 --> 01:25:03,360
when uh we've got lightholes we've got

2153
01:25:07,270 --> 01:25:05,360
trucks we've got people we've got action

2154
01:25:10,790 --> 01:25:07,280
we've got witnesses we've got a landed

2155
01:25:13,990 --> 01:25:13,110
people surrounding the craft there were

2156
01:25:17,110 --> 01:25:14,000
reports

2157
01:25:20,070 --> 01:25:17,120
uh of thinking about

2158
01:25:20,790 --> 01:25:20,080
trying to get inside of it right and

2159
01:25:24,870 --> 01:25:20,800
well this is

2160
01:25:26,629 --> 01:25:24,880
the the word craft is is used which um

2161
01:25:28,390 --> 01:25:26,639
which gives the impression of a nuts and

2162
01:25:30,470 --> 01:25:28,400
bolts type object

2163
01:25:31,669 --> 01:25:30,480
i'm not suggesting a nuts and bolts type

2164
01:25:35,110 --> 01:25:31,679
object

2165
01:25:38,310 --> 01:25:35,120
um on night three at all well but

2166
01:25:41,350 --> 01:25:38,320
but that's my point right where

2167
01:25:44,790 --> 01:25:41,360
you've got a large crowd of of people

2168
01:25:47,990 --> 01:25:44,800
out next to that farmhouse and and

2169
01:25:49,990 --> 01:25:48,000
questioning what they are seeing and and

2170
01:25:51,669 --> 01:25:50,000
some of the reports were just that that

2171
01:25:54,550 --> 01:25:51,679
they were talking about

2172
01:25:55,189 --> 01:25:54,560
uh aborting the craft jumping on top of

2173
01:25:59,590 --> 01:25:55,199
it

2174
01:26:02,470 --> 01:25:59,600
um they are seeing something physical

2175
01:26:04,070 --> 01:26:02,480
the interpretation of of what was being

2176
01:26:05,510 --> 01:26:04,080
seen needs to be taken into

2177
01:26:08,310 --> 01:26:05,520
consideration as well

2178
01:26:09,590 --> 01:26:08,320
um there's been lots of touring of

2179
01:26:12,550 --> 01:26:09,600
throwing in regards to

2180
01:26:13,270 --> 01:26:12,560
witnesses and their and their coming

2181
01:26:16,709 --> 01:26:13,280
forward with

2182
01:26:18,870 --> 01:26:16,719
certain stories have ended up being um

2183
01:26:21,189 --> 01:26:18,880
the opposite of what actually has

2184
01:26:22,950 --> 01:26:21,199
occurred as time's moved on you know as

2185
01:26:25,430 --> 01:26:22,960
the years have gone by

2186
01:26:26,070 --> 01:26:25,440
and i think what what stands out more in

2187
01:26:28,950 --> 01:26:26,080
this book

2188
01:26:31,350 --> 01:26:28,960
is as i said the people that were there

2189
01:26:34,870 --> 01:26:31,360
in this book especially and i think

2190
01:26:37,510 --> 01:26:34,880
hats off to them both john and

2191
01:26:38,950 --> 01:26:37,520
adrian for doing what they did and

2192
01:26:42,870 --> 01:26:38,960
stepping forward and

2193
01:26:44,870 --> 01:26:42,880
writing down exactly you know

2194
01:26:47,110 --> 01:26:44,880
what what they experience from their

2195
01:26:49,590 --> 01:26:47,120
words from their mouth and no one else's

2196
01:26:50,870 --> 01:26:49,600
right and now the book is released

2197
01:26:54,470 --> 01:26:50,880
tomorrow

2198
01:26:56,790 --> 01:26:54,480
and you are talking about uploading uh

2199
01:26:59,270 --> 01:26:56,800
more documents to your website when do

2200
01:27:01,189 --> 01:26:59,280
you anticipate that getting done

2201
01:27:02,629 --> 01:27:01,199
well within the next seven days i've

2202
01:27:03,990 --> 01:27:02,639
only got one arm at the moment

2203
01:27:06,390 --> 01:27:04,000
unfortunately my other

2204
01:27:08,470 --> 01:27:06,400
arm the tendons that are absolutely shot

2205
01:27:09,270 --> 01:27:08,480
and as soon as i use the mouse on things

2206
01:27:12,550 --> 01:27:09,280
um it's

2207
01:27:15,430 --> 01:27:12,560
uh it's just ugly so uh but you know

2208
01:27:16,870 --> 01:27:15,440
um a little bit some cults and frozen

2209
01:27:19,030 --> 01:27:16,880
peas i'm sure

2210
01:27:21,270 --> 01:27:19,040
i can get a few hours in somewhere i'm

2211
01:27:23,510 --> 01:27:21,280
quite sure yeah thank you so much james

2212
01:27:26,390 --> 01:27:23,520
and i want you to be safe out there

2213
01:27:27,350 --> 01:27:26,400
it's great talking to you finally and uh

2214
01:27:30,229 --> 01:27:27,360
just be safe

2215
01:27:31,270 --> 01:27:30,239
uh it's a crazy world these days and and

2216
01:27:34,950 --> 01:27:31,280
the united kingdom

2217
01:27:36,790 --> 01:27:34,960
is is is just as is as not just

2218
01:27:39,030 --> 01:27:36,800
the rest of the world and so just be

2219
01:27:40,870 --> 01:27:39,040
safe out there

2220
01:27:42,709 --> 01:27:40,880
thank you and you too and god bless you

2221
01:27:44,870 --> 01:27:42,719
and your family you're the best

2222
01:27:46,390 --> 01:27:44,880
james warrow and i'm going to take a

2223
01:27:48,709 --> 01:27:46,400
quick break uh

2224
01:27:49,430 --> 01:27:48,719
john you stay right there this is fade

2225
01:27:51,830 --> 01:27:49,440
to black i

2226
01:27:53,510 --> 01:27:51,840
am your host jimmy church we'll be right

2227
01:27:55,030 --> 01:27:53,520
back after this short break and we'll

2228
01:28:07,260 --> 01:27:55,040
continue the discussion with john

2229
01:28:07,270 --> 01:28:20,070
[Music]

2230
01:28:26,310 --> 01:28:23,270
way out here we listen to jimmy church

2231
01:28:28,229 --> 01:28:26,320
you're listening to fade to black

2232
01:28:29,350 --> 01:28:28,239
always on the edge of the hottest

2233
01:28:36,810 --> 01:28:29,360
alternative talk

2234
01:28:36,820 --> 01:28:40,830
[Applause]

2235
01:28:40,840 --> 01:28:48,229
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2236
01:28:52,310 --> 01:28:50,310
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2237
01:28:54,310 --> 01:28:52,320
not of course you do

2238
01:28:57,390 --> 01:28:54,320
this is jimmy churchill fade to black

2239
01:28:59,189 --> 01:28:57,400
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2240
01:29:01,030 --> 01:28:59,199
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2241
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01:31:37,669 --> 01:31:36,400
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[Music]

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01:32:27,189 --> 01:32:25,510
welcome back fade to black i am your

2312
01:32:28,870 --> 01:32:27,199
host jimmy church

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01:32:30,629 --> 01:32:28,880
very important show tonight we've got

2314
01:32:32,629 --> 01:32:30,639
john burroughs with us i want to thank

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01:32:34,950 --> 01:32:32,639
james warro for coming in

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01:32:36,229 --> 01:32:34,960
live from the united kingdom the book is

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01:32:38,709 --> 01:32:36,239
released tomorrow it's called

2318
01:32:39,590 --> 01:32:38,719
weaponization of an unidentified aerial

2319
01:32:42,390 --> 01:32:39,600
phenomenon

2320
01:32:42,950 --> 01:32:42,400
and it is being released first on kindle

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uh

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hardcover version

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01:32:52,070 --> 01:32:49,920
well hopefully next week um we had to

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finalize some and iron some stuff out

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and

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hopefully we'll have something up in the

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next day or two that you can pre-order

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it

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next week now

2330
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uh again i want to emphasize you and i

2331
01:33:06,390 --> 01:33:03,679
have

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01:33:07,990 --> 01:33:06,400
discussed this backwards and forwards uh

2333
01:33:10,870 --> 01:33:08,000
for so many years

2334
01:33:11,830 --> 01:33:10,880
and and i am constantly learning stuff

2335
01:33:15,270 --> 01:33:11,840
and

2336
01:33:17,189 --> 01:33:15,280
uh there are so many little pieces

2337
01:33:18,470 --> 01:33:17,199
uh that are revealed in the book that i

2338
01:33:21,189 --> 01:33:18,480
didn't know before

2339
01:33:21,990 --> 01:33:21,199
um and i i'm just gonna bring up a few

2340
01:33:24,470 --> 01:33:22,000
of these

2341
01:33:25,350 --> 01:33:24,480
and and i want to get your comments uh

2342
01:33:27,270 --> 01:33:25,360
one

2343
01:33:28,790 --> 01:33:27,280
of the things that stood out to me in

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the timeline

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uh was the the time

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the time the actual time of the first

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night um

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where uh you remember it being around 3

2349
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00 a.m

2350
01:33:46,709 --> 01:33:45,760
uh peniston is three hours before that

2351
01:33:50,310 --> 01:33:46,719
he thinks it was

2352
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about midnight and then the

2353
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other uh witnesses um have put the

2354
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timeline together

2355
01:33:58,229 --> 01:33:57,679
at about 2 a.m let's address that really

2356
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quick

2357
01:34:04,790 --> 01:34:01,679
uh why why why are we spread apart uh

2358
01:34:06,709 --> 01:34:04,800
by three hours you know i i can't speak

2359
01:34:07,350 --> 01:34:06,719
for pennison when he first came out with

2360
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midnight

2361
01:34:10,390 --> 01:34:09,440
um he also had us on 12 hours just which

2362
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we weren't

2363
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um but what i can tell you is i always

2364
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remember it happened right around three

2365
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in the morning

2366
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and to cut to the chase what happened

2367
01:34:20,950 --> 01:34:20,159
was it was verified when the statements

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came out

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when halt released the statements on the

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set of unsolved mysteries

2371
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the statements showed it was zero three

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hundred and not only that but there's a

2373
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british

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police log that was uncovered through

2375
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foia

2376
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that showed that they were called out

2377
01:34:38,390 --> 01:34:35,600
right after three o'clock

2378
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so that's so right right in that three

2379
01:34:42,229 --> 01:34:39,440
o'clock window yeah

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yeah and so the police blotter was one

2381
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of the

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official things that everybody was able

2383
01:34:49,830 --> 01:34:47,040
to go

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01:34:52,550 --> 01:34:49,840
and look towards didn't halt go to the

2385
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police station to pick up those blotters

2386
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yeah he wouldn't he went in the next

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morning he used to come in

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01:34:59,270 --> 01:34:58,159
around five or six between five and six

2389
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be again

2390
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and look at the blotters and take them

2391
01:35:04,390 --> 01:35:02,400
over to the

2392
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for the staff meeting in the morning and

2393
01:35:08,070 --> 01:35:06,560
anything that happened overnight and

2394
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that's when the death sergeant told him

2395
01:35:12,470 --> 01:35:09,840
that we were out in the woods you know

2396
01:35:13,830 --> 01:35:12,480
that night so yeah he found out about it

2397
01:35:14,950 --> 01:35:13,840
really he was one of the first ones to

2398
01:35:17,030 --> 01:35:14,960
find out about it

2399
01:35:18,070 --> 01:35:17,040
that wasn't briefed as it was going on

2400
01:35:19,830 --> 01:35:18,080
so in other words

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01:35:21,430 --> 01:35:19,840
once it started the command post was

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01:35:22,629 --> 01:35:21,440
brought in and they would have made some

2403
01:35:24,870 --> 01:35:22,639
phone calls probably

2404
01:35:26,550 --> 01:35:24,880
to um i don't know if would have been

2405
01:35:28,390 --> 01:35:26,560
the base commander the the the wing

2406
01:35:30,629 --> 01:35:28,400
commander most likely the base though

2407
01:35:32,470 --> 01:35:30,639
and then our command staff was notified

2408
01:35:33,830 --> 01:35:32,480
on call that whoever was on call that

2409
01:35:34,629 --> 01:35:33,840
night would have been notified what was

2410
01:35:37,910 --> 01:35:34,639
going on

2411
01:35:40,870 --> 01:35:37,920
now um after speaking

2412
01:35:43,109 --> 01:35:40,880
uh with james warro right now we've got

2413
01:35:44,310 --> 01:35:43,119
two different situations that we need to

2414
01:35:47,510 --> 01:35:44,320
address

2415
01:35:50,870 --> 01:35:47,520
on a night one with you and peniston

2416
01:35:53,109 --> 01:35:50,880
uh peniston speaks

2417
01:35:54,870 --> 01:35:53,119
very directly about touching the craft

2418
01:35:56,550 --> 01:35:54,880
it's physical he gave a description of

2419
01:35:57,910 --> 01:35:56,560
the outside and the writing and walked

2420
01:36:00,470 --> 01:35:57,920
around three legs

2421
01:36:01,350 --> 01:36:00,480
it was standing up and and that was a

2422
01:36:05,910 --> 01:36:01,360
physical

2423
01:36:09,830 --> 01:36:05,920
three

2424
01:36:11,510 --> 01:36:09,840
where james is suggesting something else

2425
01:36:15,030 --> 01:36:11,520
how do we start to

2426
01:36:17,109 --> 01:36:15,040
uh compare the two now

2427
01:36:19,270 --> 01:36:17,119
well again going back to you know and

2428
01:36:21,590 --> 01:36:19,280
it's laid out in the book pretty clearly

2429
01:36:23,030 --> 01:36:21,600
you have to understand this phenomenon

2430
01:36:24,390 --> 01:36:23,040
when you get close to it can not only

2431
01:36:25,270 --> 01:36:24,400
affect what you're seeing but what you

2432
01:36:28,310 --> 01:36:25,280
remember

2433
01:36:29,510 --> 01:36:28,320
it's in the documents itself that condy

2434
01:36:31,750 --> 01:36:29,520
talks about this

2435
01:36:33,109 --> 01:36:31,760
where when you get close to something

2436
01:36:34,870 --> 01:36:33,119
what you actually think you're seeing

2437
01:36:36,550 --> 01:36:34,880
may not be what's really going on and

2438
01:36:38,149 --> 01:36:36,560
then it also affects what you remember

2439
01:36:40,550 --> 01:36:38,159
and how you remember it

2440
01:36:42,470 --> 01:36:40,560
you know on top of the fact then you

2441
01:36:44,950 --> 01:36:42,480
have to add the other factor in is is

2442
01:36:47,270 --> 01:36:44,960
that what happened to us afterwards

2443
01:36:48,070 --> 01:36:47,280
you know what did they try to get out of

2444
01:36:49,430 --> 01:36:48,080
us or what did they

2445
01:36:51,189 --> 01:36:49,440
how they tried to change what we

2446
01:36:51,990 --> 01:36:51,199
remembered you know according to

2447
01:36:54,950 --> 01:36:52,000
numerous people

2448
01:36:55,669 --> 01:36:54,960
so that that's the factor that's you

2449
01:36:57,750 --> 01:36:55,679
know

2450
01:36:59,750 --> 01:36:57,760
that's there never mind the technology

2451
01:37:00,950 --> 01:36:59,760
that we were working on right there

2452
01:37:02,790 --> 01:37:00,960
and then there was something else we

2453
01:37:04,310 --> 01:37:02,800
didn't bring up andrew pike

2454
01:37:06,229 --> 01:37:04,320
was a scientist that was down there

2455
01:37:08,310 --> 01:37:06,239
working on the study of the phenomenon

2456
01:37:10,310 --> 01:37:08,320
and he has written a book about it

2457
01:37:12,149 --> 01:37:10,320
and they were they were provoking the

2458
01:37:13,990 --> 01:37:12,159
phenomena during that time frame they

2459
01:37:15,590 --> 01:37:14,000
were doing different things to try to

2460
01:37:17,109 --> 01:37:15,600
get the phenomenon to do different

2461
01:37:17,750 --> 01:37:17,119
things because they were trying to study

2462
01:37:20,229 --> 01:37:17,760
it

2463
01:37:22,470 --> 01:37:20,239
so you had a whole toxic soup of stuff

2464
01:37:24,550 --> 01:37:22,480
that was all going on at the same time

2465
01:37:25,910 --> 01:37:24,560
and it just how it affects what you

2466
01:37:27,350 --> 01:37:25,920
remember what you see and what you

2467
01:37:29,109 --> 01:37:27,360
actually what went on and

2468
01:37:30,629 --> 01:37:29,119
we tried to lay that out pretty clearly

2469
01:37:31,990 --> 01:37:30,639
in the book you know what i mean as far

2470
01:37:32,870 --> 01:37:32,000
as how it could have been what it could

2471
01:37:35,430 --> 01:37:32,880
have done

2472
01:37:36,870 --> 01:37:35,440
but um there's no doubt that there's so

2473
01:37:37,910 --> 01:37:36,880
many different memories and that was one

2474
01:37:39,669 --> 01:37:37,920
of the things that

2475
01:37:41,189 --> 01:37:39,679
people attacked the case about but

2476
01:37:43,030 --> 01:37:41,199
different people remembered it different

2477
01:37:45,350 --> 01:37:43,040
ways times and everything else

2478
01:37:46,229 --> 01:37:45,360
but it's really real real i think

2479
01:37:47,510 --> 01:37:46,239
overall that

2480
01:37:50,149 --> 01:37:47,520
people actually had different

2481
01:37:53,350 --> 01:37:50,159
perceptions for that reason and so

2482
01:37:57,590 --> 01:37:53,360
um are we suggesting here john that

2483
01:38:01,510 --> 01:37:57,600
uh that peniston's uh

2484
01:38:05,750 --> 01:38:01,520
physical touch of the craft

2485
01:38:07,910 --> 01:38:05,760
was a memory and wasn't a physical touch

2486
01:38:10,390 --> 01:38:07,920
of the craft is that where

2487
01:38:11,510 --> 01:38:10,400
is that where we are going it could very

2488
01:38:13,430 --> 01:38:11,520
well be yes

2489
01:38:15,830 --> 01:38:13,440
and that's one of the things that who's

2490
01:38:17,350 --> 01:38:15,840
an engineer that did the study says he

2491
01:38:21,270 --> 01:38:17,360
thinks is what took place

2492
01:38:25,590 --> 01:38:21,280
now let's get back to memories um

2493
01:38:28,390 --> 01:38:25,600
uh there's a point where uh colonel halt

2494
01:38:30,310 --> 01:38:28,400
literally asked you about your memory

2495
01:38:33,350 --> 01:38:30,320
when he says

2496
01:38:35,750 --> 01:38:33,360
is that what you saw on the first night

2497
01:38:37,109 --> 01:38:35,760
right right of course that was on night

2498
01:38:39,910 --> 01:38:37,119
three now

2499
01:38:42,550 --> 01:38:39,920
it is your memory uh coming into play

2500
01:38:45,030 --> 01:38:42,560
here directly from halt

2501
01:38:46,870 --> 01:38:45,040
right right when we met when i got to

2502
01:38:49,350 --> 01:38:46,880
get up to his party

2503
01:38:50,870 --> 01:38:49,360
when we got to his party that was one of

2504
01:38:53,189 --> 01:38:50,880
the things that he asked me

2505
01:38:54,709 --> 01:38:53,199
was what what we were what he had seen

2506
01:38:55,430 --> 01:38:54,719
what he was talking about and what

2507
01:38:57,910 --> 01:38:55,440
appeared

2508
01:38:59,669 --> 01:38:57,920
in the horizon was that what we were

2509
01:39:02,070 --> 01:38:59,679
dealing with the first night yes

2510
01:39:03,350 --> 01:39:02,080
and now this is where things get a

2511
01:39:05,750 --> 01:39:03,360
little bit sticky

2512
01:39:08,550 --> 01:39:05,760
um but we've never spoken about this

2513
01:39:11,510 --> 01:39:08,560
before so let's just go straight there

2514
01:39:12,149 --> 01:39:11,520
uh and that of course is adrian bustinza

2515
01:39:18,870 --> 01:39:12,159
and

2516
01:39:22,070 --> 01:39:18,880
the third night because uh halt

2517
01:39:24,870 --> 01:39:22,080
asked you to go forward

2518
01:39:26,470 --> 01:39:24,880
right and and and to go and check out

2519
01:39:28,550 --> 01:39:26,480
this craft and for you to take the

2520
01:39:30,790 --> 01:39:28,560
stenza with you

2521
01:39:32,229 --> 01:39:30,800
right it kind of was one of those things

2522
01:39:34,149 --> 01:39:32,239
like is that what you've seen

2523
01:39:35,669 --> 01:39:34,159
uh and i kind of said i don't know i'd

2524
01:39:37,750 --> 01:39:35,679
like to get a closer look

2525
01:39:39,510 --> 01:39:37,760
so he allowed the cincinnati to go

2526
01:39:39,990 --> 01:39:39,520
forward yeah yeah but stingy was on duty

2527
01:39:41,830 --> 01:39:40,000
go with me

2528
01:39:43,430 --> 01:39:41,840
i was off duty that night you were off

2529
01:39:45,990 --> 01:39:43,440
duty you're wearing your civvies

2530
01:39:47,189 --> 01:39:46,000
right right right you weren't in

2531
01:39:48,950 --> 01:39:47,199
fatigues

2532
01:39:51,030 --> 01:39:48,960
no i was not working that night i went

2533
01:39:52,629 --> 01:39:51,040
out there i had no idea all this was

2534
01:39:54,149 --> 01:39:52,639
taking place me and a couple other guys

2535
01:39:55,669 --> 01:39:54,159
that were working the first night

2536
01:39:57,430 --> 01:39:55,679
because we found out something happened

2537
01:39:58,870 --> 01:39:57,440
the second night decided we'd go out

2538
01:40:00,149 --> 01:39:58,880
there on the third night and go out in

2539
01:40:01,030 --> 01:40:00,159
the woods and see if we could figure out

2540
01:40:02,629 --> 01:40:01,040
what was going on

2541
01:40:04,870 --> 01:40:02,639
because it just didn't add up and didn't

2542
01:40:07,189 --> 01:40:04,880
make sense and when we got out there all

2543
01:40:09,109 --> 01:40:07,199
the stuff was going on and we got held

2544
01:40:10,310 --> 01:40:09,119
at different areas until we finally met

2545
01:40:12,709 --> 01:40:10,320
up with halt's team

2546
01:40:13,750 --> 01:40:12,719
towards the end of the event now uh at

2547
01:40:17,189 --> 01:40:13,760
that point

2548
01:40:18,950 --> 01:40:17,199
do you recall when when halt uh says

2549
01:40:21,189 --> 01:40:18,960
he wants you to go forward and see if

2550
01:40:23,189 --> 01:40:21,199
this is what you saw on the first night

2551
01:40:24,709 --> 01:40:23,199
how many people were around you at that

2552
01:40:26,550 --> 01:40:24,719
point

2553
01:40:27,990 --> 01:40:26,560
well it would have been who was with him

2554
01:40:30,470 --> 01:40:28,000
so there would have been like i

2555
01:40:32,070 --> 01:40:30,480
remember at about five and then there

2556
01:40:33,109 --> 01:40:32,080
were some people behind us in the

2557
01:40:34,950 --> 01:40:33,119
staging area

2558
01:40:36,390 --> 01:40:34,960
and i don't remember exactly how many

2559
01:40:38,310 --> 01:40:36,400
were back there there was these two or

2560
01:40:39,750 --> 01:40:38,320
three that were back there behind us

2561
01:40:40,870 --> 01:40:39,760
because they had the lightos back there

2562
01:40:42,070 --> 01:40:40,880
they had a truck back there and

2563
01:40:43,189 --> 01:40:42,080
everything else so there was the two

2564
01:40:46,229 --> 01:40:43,199
guys with me

2565
01:40:50,149 --> 01:40:46,239
um bustinza neville's halt

2566
01:40:51,669 --> 01:40:50,159
england and ball is uh what i remember

2567
01:40:53,189 --> 01:40:51,679
was there and then there was a couple

2568
01:40:54,390 --> 01:40:53,199
other guys back behind and i don't

2569
01:40:57,750 --> 01:40:54,400
remember who they were

2570
01:41:00,870 --> 01:40:57,760
now um and they're

2571
01:41:04,950 --> 01:41:00,880
okay you and bistinza

2572
01:41:08,709 --> 01:41:04,960
uh started to uh approach the object

2573
01:41:09,830 --> 01:41:08,719
when this is going down did you feel

2574
01:41:12,629 --> 01:41:09,840
that you were moving

2575
01:41:15,350 --> 01:41:12,639
closer to the object or did you feel

2576
01:41:17,189 --> 01:41:15,360
that the object was actually moving

2577
01:41:18,950 --> 01:41:17,199
and coming towards you or was it a

2578
01:41:20,390 --> 01:41:18,960
combination of the both

2579
01:41:22,070 --> 01:41:20,400
i think at the beginning we started

2580
01:41:23,030 --> 01:41:22,080
moving towards it then it appeared to

2581
01:41:26,470 --> 01:41:23,040
come towards us

2582
01:41:28,470 --> 01:41:26,480
and then all of a sudden it was like

2583
01:41:29,590 --> 01:41:28,480
it was like we were almost like getting

2584
01:41:32,629 --> 01:41:29,600
close to it and

2585
01:41:35,350 --> 01:41:32,639
i don't remember anything until after

2586
01:41:36,709 --> 01:41:35,360
after uh i looked back in vicenza who

2587
01:41:37,990 --> 01:41:36,719
was running with me and first went down

2588
01:41:39,750 --> 01:41:38,000
to the ground

2589
01:41:41,910 --> 01:41:39,760
and then when it was over i turned back

2590
01:41:44,390 --> 01:41:41,920
and he was there and he was

2591
01:41:46,390 --> 01:41:44,400
kind of freaked out with what he saw you

2592
01:41:46,950 --> 01:41:46,400
know and he describes what he saw happen

2593
01:41:49,669 --> 01:41:46,960
to me

2594
01:41:50,470 --> 01:41:49,679
yeah let's let's stop right there for a

2595
01:41:53,669 --> 01:41:50,480
second

2596
01:41:57,109 --> 01:41:53,679
um what did you see

2597
01:41:58,070 --> 01:41:57,119
at that point just the light it was just

2598
01:42:02,470 --> 01:41:58,080
the light this

2599
01:42:04,229 --> 01:42:02,480
huey's orangish light like ah

2600
01:42:05,590 --> 01:42:04,239
you see i want to call an object but it

2601
01:42:07,030 --> 01:42:05,600
wasn't like a

2602
01:42:08,550 --> 01:42:07,040
triangular object or anything like that

2603
01:42:10,470 --> 01:42:08,560
it was just there was a light there was

2604
01:42:13,189 --> 01:42:10,480
some kind of

2605
01:42:14,870 --> 01:42:13,199
it was just it was like a spear around

2606
01:42:16,229 --> 01:42:14,880
you know it was it was hard to explain

2607
01:42:17,990 --> 01:42:16,239
it just

2608
01:42:20,070 --> 01:42:18,000
that's that's what i'm talking about

2609
01:42:20,390 --> 01:42:20,080
with i never could understand how i

2610
01:42:22,229 --> 01:42:20,400
could

2611
01:42:24,470 --> 01:42:22,239
close something twice and not really

2612
01:42:26,310 --> 01:42:24,480
remember it until we started doing the

2613
01:42:29,990 --> 01:42:26,320
research and then i kind of understood

2614
01:42:33,030 --> 01:42:30,000
why you know why why i can't remember

2615
01:42:35,030 --> 01:42:33,040
it for clearly and then you know i

2616
01:42:36,950 --> 01:42:35,040
tried to draw it in the statement which

2617
01:42:39,109 --> 01:42:36,960
was like a orange ball

2618
01:42:41,430 --> 01:42:39,119
or a collar ball with different colors

2619
01:42:43,510 --> 01:42:41,440
and there were blue lights around it but

2620
01:42:45,189 --> 01:42:43,520
but yeah that's that's close as i can

2621
01:42:47,830 --> 01:42:45,199
describe it to you and

2622
01:42:48,390 --> 01:42:47,840
and you know how many feet how many feet

2623
01:42:51,270 --> 01:42:48,400
away

2624
01:42:53,270 --> 01:42:51,280
do you think you were at that point well

2625
01:42:53,590 --> 01:42:53,280
when i remembered the closest i got to

2626
01:42:57,590 --> 01:42:53,600
it

2627
01:43:00,790 --> 01:42:57,600
right exactly

2628
01:43:01,430 --> 01:43:00,800
and uh this is just blowing my mind by

2629
01:43:05,910 --> 01:43:01,440
the way

2630
01:43:08,070 --> 01:43:05,920
um but you apparently and i want

2631
01:43:09,910 --> 01:43:08,080
to again refer to your memory the best

2632
01:43:13,830 --> 01:43:09,920
that you can

2633
01:43:16,870 --> 01:43:13,840
you grabbed the radio right from adrian

2634
01:43:17,590 --> 01:43:16,880
from adrian we were running towards it

2635
01:43:20,709 --> 01:43:17,600
yeah i

2636
01:43:24,070 --> 01:43:20,719
i got i grabbed a radio and um i

2637
01:43:26,070 --> 01:43:24,080
talked to wsa tower and that was bobo

2638
01:43:27,189 --> 01:43:26,080
rick bobo which you know i've we've

2639
01:43:29,750 --> 01:43:27,199
interviewed before

2640
01:43:30,390 --> 01:43:29,760
and he's in the book describing what he

2641
01:43:32,149 --> 01:43:30,400
saw but

2642
01:43:33,990 --> 01:43:32,159
he had seen something come down out of

2643
01:43:34,790 --> 01:43:34,000
the sky and come down over the forest

2644
01:43:36,790 --> 01:43:34,800
area

2645
01:43:38,950 --> 01:43:36,800
that was shooting blue lights out of it

2646
01:43:42,470 --> 01:43:38,960
now and and so you call bobo

2647
01:43:44,070 --> 01:43:42,480
on the radio i can't only imagine

2648
01:43:45,669 --> 01:43:44,080
the conversation but do you remember

2649
01:43:47,669 --> 01:43:45,679
what you said to him

2650
01:43:49,430 --> 01:43:47,679
yeah we were seeking permission at that

2651
01:43:50,310 --> 01:43:49,440
point to go ahead and approach whatever

2652
01:43:52,629 --> 01:43:50,320
it was

2653
01:43:54,550 --> 01:43:52,639
even though halt already told you you

2654
01:43:56,790 --> 01:43:54,560
know kind of pushed you from behind

2655
01:43:58,709 --> 01:43:56,800
well no halt just said to go out and get

2656
01:43:59,910 --> 01:43:58,719
a closer look he didn't tell us to have

2657
01:44:03,750 --> 01:43:59,920
an encounter with it

2658
01:44:06,709 --> 01:44:03,760
right right right right and what

2659
01:44:07,910 --> 01:44:06,719
uh what did bobo say do you remember go

2660
01:44:10,550 --> 01:44:07,920
for it

2661
01:44:13,669 --> 01:44:10,560
literally yeah that's exactly i remember

2662
01:44:16,950 --> 01:44:13,679
him saying go for it emerald barrels

2663
01:44:20,070 --> 01:44:16,960
and uh i'm laughing because uh

2664
01:44:23,830 --> 01:44:20,080
this is just the most amazing uh

2665
01:44:26,550 --> 01:44:23,840
event like in ever so what do you do

2666
01:44:28,149 --> 01:44:26,560
when he says go for it do you do you

2667
01:44:30,550 --> 01:44:28,159
guys break off in a sprint

2668
01:44:32,709 --> 01:44:30,560
i mean well we were already kind of

2669
01:44:34,709 --> 01:44:32,719
jogging but then yeah we took off

2670
01:44:36,709 --> 01:44:34,719
as fast as we could go yeah in the field

2671
01:44:38,550 --> 01:44:36,719
that's when adrian went down

2672
01:44:40,070 --> 01:44:38,560
and and you know and then he saw what

2673
01:44:44,149 --> 01:44:40,080
happened happened to me

2674
01:44:44,629 --> 01:44:44,159
now but stins uh uh said and i've i've

2675
01:44:48,149 --> 01:44:44,639
heard

2676
01:44:51,430 --> 01:44:48,159
uh this reference that he felt

2677
01:44:52,870 --> 01:44:51,440
uh something external right he felt that

2678
01:44:56,470 --> 01:44:52,880
he was forced to the ground

2679
01:44:58,390 --> 01:44:56,480
from something yes yes he did now

2680
01:45:00,070 --> 01:44:58,400
he held pushed him down and held him to

2681
01:45:00,870 --> 01:45:00,080
the ground and held him to the ground so

2682
01:45:07,910 --> 01:45:00,880
he couldn't

2683
01:45:08,310 --> 01:45:07,920
now at that point uh you just said six

2684
01:45:11,270 --> 01:45:08,320
feet

2685
01:45:13,030 --> 01:45:11,280
were you now closer than that were you

2686
01:45:15,109 --> 01:45:13,040
like on top of it

2687
01:45:16,950 --> 01:45:15,119
well that's the point i remember getting

2688
01:45:18,390 --> 01:45:16,960
close to it and then i remember him

2689
01:45:19,669 --> 01:45:18,400
going down and that's the last thing i

2690
01:45:23,109 --> 01:45:19,679
remember so

2691
01:45:24,870 --> 01:45:23,119
you know i mean i went into it so

2692
01:45:26,629 --> 01:45:24,880
you know and there you go and he

2693
01:45:29,189 --> 01:45:26,639
actually um

2694
01:45:31,510 --> 01:45:29,199
he actually had part of his body go into

2695
01:45:34,950 --> 01:45:31,520
it too so

2696
01:45:38,709 --> 01:45:34,960
and he he described it as a fog right

2697
01:45:39,189 --> 01:45:38,719
yeah yeah and and and that's it as far

2698
01:45:41,109 --> 01:45:39,199
as

2699
01:45:43,430 --> 01:45:41,119
your memory goes does it just stop at

2700
01:45:44,709 --> 01:45:43,440
that point it just stops at that point

2701
01:45:46,950 --> 01:45:44,719
until after it was over and i was

2702
01:45:50,390 --> 01:45:46,960
standing in the field

2703
01:45:53,189 --> 01:45:50,400
and bestinza said that and this

2704
01:45:54,229 --> 01:45:53,199
is i think this is about as critical as

2705
01:45:59,510 --> 01:45:54,239
it gets

2706
01:46:01,910 --> 01:45:59,520
he says you disappeared right yeah yep

2707
01:46:03,830 --> 01:46:01,920
wait did and you don't remember and when

2708
01:46:05,430 --> 01:46:03,840
when i say disappeared i think what

2709
01:46:09,030 --> 01:46:05,440
adrian was describing is

2710
01:46:09,990 --> 01:46:09,040
you were enveloped by this fog i phased

2711
01:46:12,870 --> 01:46:10,000
out he said

2712
01:46:15,030 --> 01:46:12,880
the best way to describe it is the uh

2713
01:46:17,990 --> 01:46:15,040
star trek effect

2714
01:46:18,390 --> 01:46:18,000
when they you know when they transport

2715
01:46:21,669 --> 01:46:18,400
right

2716
01:46:23,750 --> 01:46:21,679
you have

2717
01:46:24,950 --> 01:46:23,760
at that point you don't have any memory

2718
01:46:27,990 --> 01:46:24,960
of anything

2719
01:46:29,109 --> 01:46:28,000
nope not at all now uh bustenza then

2720
01:46:32,229 --> 01:46:29,119
described

2721
01:46:33,669 --> 01:46:32,239
uh uh blue lights again we get back to

2722
01:46:37,189 --> 01:46:33,679
the blue lights right

2723
01:46:40,950 --> 01:46:37,199
right and he says that it turned into

2724
01:46:44,310 --> 01:46:40,960
a triangular object now the

2725
01:46:45,030 --> 01:46:44,320
triangular description forces me to

2726
01:46:48,149 --> 01:46:45,040
think about

2727
01:46:50,070 --> 01:46:48,159
peniston's uh memory of what he

2728
01:46:52,070 --> 01:46:50,080
encountered along with you on the first

2729
01:46:55,030 --> 01:46:52,080
night uh do you think that these were

2730
01:46:58,310 --> 01:46:55,040
the same two objects

2731
01:47:00,390 --> 01:46:58,320
well i don't know

2732
01:47:02,149 --> 01:47:00,400
you know i mean whatever was there the

2733
01:47:04,790 --> 01:47:02,159
first night it could very well have been

2734
01:47:05,990 --> 01:47:04,800
what was there the the third night now

2735
01:47:08,870 --> 01:47:06,000
the big question is

2736
01:47:10,629 --> 01:47:08,880
is that since we were provoking it where

2737
01:47:12,470 --> 01:47:10,639
we're working on this technology we're

2738
01:47:14,550 --> 01:47:12,480
trying to figure it out

2739
01:47:16,310 --> 01:47:14,560
had we developed some of the stuff that

2740
01:47:18,070 --> 01:47:16,320
we were dealing with was that ours was

2741
01:47:20,310 --> 01:47:18,080
it the phenomenon itself

2742
01:47:21,750 --> 01:47:20,320
do you know what i mean so who's to say

2743
01:47:23,669 --> 01:47:21,760
you know was it the exact same

2744
01:47:25,189 --> 01:47:23,679
phenomenon the first night or

2745
01:47:26,709 --> 01:47:25,199
could it just would it be the same

2746
01:47:28,709 --> 01:47:26,719
effect on the mind and

2747
01:47:29,990 --> 01:47:28,719
what happens do you understand what i

2748
01:47:33,430 --> 01:47:30,000
mean i do i do

2749
01:47:37,830 --> 01:47:33,440
now how much time do you think elapsed

2750
01:47:41,189 --> 01:47:37,840
uh between the the phasing out

2751
01:47:44,229 --> 01:47:41,199
uh the envelopment of the light and

2752
01:47:45,030 --> 01:47:44,239
you and adrian talking as you were

2753
01:47:46,950 --> 01:47:45,040
walking away

2754
01:47:49,189 --> 01:47:46,960
how much time do you think i have no

2755
01:47:49,990 --> 01:47:49,199
idea i mean that part i don't know i

2756
01:47:51,830 --> 01:47:50,000
just know that

2757
01:47:53,270 --> 01:47:51,840
it was like i got close to it and then

2758
01:47:55,669 --> 01:47:53,280
bam it was gone

2759
01:47:57,350 --> 01:47:55,679
and then there he was so that would be a

2760
01:47:58,070 --> 01:47:57,360
good question for adrian you know to

2761
01:48:00,310 --> 01:47:58,080
answer how

2762
01:48:01,109 --> 01:48:00,320
how long he you know he felt we were

2763
01:48:03,350 --> 01:48:01,119
gone i don't

2764
01:48:04,550 --> 01:48:03,360
think he put that in the book but but

2765
01:48:08,149 --> 01:48:04,560
yeah it was

2766
01:48:09,910 --> 01:48:08,159
obviously i don't know a few minutes but

2767
01:48:11,350 --> 01:48:09,920
i mean the whole thing that's strange is

2768
01:48:13,590 --> 01:48:11,360
that you know that

2769
01:48:15,510 --> 01:48:13,600
that's never been really covered deeply

2770
01:48:18,229 --> 01:48:15,520
was that a 320

2771
01:48:18,950 --> 01:48:18,239
uh reference got a foia from the mod

2772
01:48:21,189 --> 01:48:18,960
admitting that

2773
01:48:23,430 --> 01:48:21,199
the basic called eastern radar to

2774
01:48:27,030 --> 01:48:23,440
identify there was activity going on

2775
01:48:28,790 --> 01:48:27,040
so it was between 0 3 20 and 4 o'clock

2776
01:48:30,870 --> 01:48:28,800
is when we had our event you know when

2777
01:48:31,990 --> 01:48:30,880
it all wrapped up between oh 3 20 and 4

2778
01:48:34,709 --> 01:48:32,000
o'clock in the morning

2779
01:48:36,310 --> 01:48:34,719
how stunned were you at that moment not

2780
01:48:36,709 --> 01:48:36,320
stunned about the event i'm talking

2781
01:48:39,270 --> 01:48:36,719
about

2782
01:48:40,550 --> 01:48:39,280
physically i mean how stunned were you

2783
01:48:42,550 --> 01:48:40,560
because adrian

2784
01:48:44,870 --> 01:48:42,560
you know he turns to you john he says

2785
01:48:45,750 --> 01:48:44,880
quite frank he said dude you disappeared

2786
01:48:50,229 --> 01:48:45,760
man

2787
01:48:52,629 --> 01:48:50,239
right i can't imagine

2788
01:48:54,629 --> 01:48:52,639
uh what was going through your mind at

2789
01:48:56,709 --> 01:48:54,639
that moment how stunned were you

2790
01:48:59,350 --> 01:48:56,719
oh well it was and that's what i tried

2791
01:49:02,790 --> 01:48:59,360
to articulate earlier tonight it's like

2792
01:49:03,109 --> 01:49:02,800
at that moment you're like besides night

2793
01:49:05,350 --> 01:49:03,119
one

2794
01:49:07,270 --> 01:49:05,360
now the third night you're like what uh

2795
01:49:08,070 --> 01:49:07,280
you know there it just you couldn't

2796
01:49:10,470 --> 01:49:08,080
believe

2797
01:49:11,270 --> 01:49:10,480
that it was anything possibly that we

2798
01:49:13,430 --> 01:49:11,280
had

2799
01:49:15,030 --> 01:49:13,440
any kind of knowledge of or were working

2800
01:49:15,910 --> 01:49:15,040
on or anything at that moment you're

2801
01:49:17,910 --> 01:49:15,920
like

2802
01:49:20,149 --> 01:49:17,920
what is going on you know what i mean

2803
01:49:21,430 --> 01:49:20,159
and then you just start going back and

2804
01:49:23,669 --> 01:49:21,440
it's just like on night one

2805
01:49:24,709 --> 01:49:23,679
how do we explain this what are we gonna

2806
01:49:29,030 --> 01:49:24,719
say well you know

2807
01:49:30,950 --> 01:49:29,040
that type of stuff you know you just

2808
01:49:32,790 --> 01:49:30,960
you know how do you can't explain it you

2809
01:49:34,709 --> 01:49:32,800
can't you don't you can't believe it

2810
01:49:36,470 --> 01:49:34,719
happened let alone it did you know what

2811
01:49:39,510 --> 01:49:36,480
i mean it's like wow

2812
01:49:42,790 --> 01:49:39,520
this is unreal now um uh

2813
01:49:46,070 --> 01:49:42,800
as you as you walked back and and got

2814
01:49:47,430 --> 01:49:46,080
uh back to the group do you recall

2815
01:49:52,629 --> 01:49:47,440
anybody

2816
01:49:52,950 --> 01:49:52,639
else besides adrian mentioned that you

2817
01:49:55,830 --> 01:49:52,960
just

2818
01:49:57,669 --> 01:49:55,840
phased out no in fact that's the thing

2819
01:49:59,669 --> 01:49:57,679
adrian and i both don't remember much

2820
01:50:00,870 --> 01:49:59,679
from that point walking back until the

2821
01:50:03,430 --> 01:50:00,880
next um

2822
01:50:05,510 --> 01:50:03,440
the next day we don't remember we

2823
01:50:07,350 --> 01:50:05,520
haven't we don't have any memory of what

2824
01:50:09,109 --> 01:50:07,360
took place after that do you remember

2825
01:50:12,550 --> 01:50:09,119
going to bed

2826
01:50:15,189 --> 01:50:12,560
no what i remembered was i was

2827
01:50:16,550 --> 01:50:15,199
standing in the post office on the

2828
01:50:20,390 --> 01:50:16,560
flight line

2829
01:50:21,669 --> 01:50:20,400
sunday night as the sc5 came in from

2830
01:50:24,870 --> 01:50:21,679
langley and landed

2831
01:50:26,550 --> 01:50:24,880
on the airfield and i watched the c5

2832
01:50:28,470 --> 01:50:26,560
come in and go back to the restricted

2833
01:50:29,030 --> 01:50:28,480
area park and that's the first thing i

2834
01:50:32,470 --> 01:50:29,040
remember

2835
01:50:35,109 --> 01:50:32,480
clearly from the point of walking back

2836
01:50:37,270 --> 01:50:35,119
with adrian until that evening

2837
01:50:39,510 --> 01:50:37,280
absolutely crazy all right let's let's

2838
01:50:43,750 --> 01:50:39,520
move on to a few other subjects

2839
01:50:45,750 --> 01:50:43,760
um uh here we go

2840
01:50:47,510 --> 01:50:45,760
i read through the timeline i read the

2841
01:50:50,709 --> 01:50:47,520
book and

2842
01:50:53,510 --> 01:50:50,719
uh i i read it again and

2843
01:50:54,550 --> 01:50:53,520
as i got to the end and it happened to

2844
01:50:56,950 --> 01:50:54,560
me the first time

2845
01:50:58,149 --> 01:50:56,960
that i read it i went back in and double

2846
01:51:04,830 --> 01:50:58,159
checked

2847
01:51:09,589 --> 01:51:08,070
explain um well that's why we didn't get

2848
01:51:11,350 --> 01:51:09,599
much time to talk there is

2849
01:51:14,709 --> 01:51:11,360
a little bit about him towards the end

2850
01:51:17,430 --> 01:51:14,719
of the ronnie's timeline about warren

2851
01:51:19,750 --> 01:51:17,440
will where are you bru oh okay are you

2852
01:51:21,589 --> 01:51:19,760
talking about richard dodie

2853
01:51:23,430 --> 01:51:21,599
no i'm talking about larry there he okay

2854
01:51:26,470 --> 01:51:23,440
he does go into larry a little bit

2855
01:51:29,350 --> 01:51:26,480
at the end of his timeline but

2856
01:51:30,149 --> 01:51:29,360
again i don't want to dance around the

2857
01:51:33,510 --> 01:51:30,159
issue

2858
01:51:36,470 --> 01:51:33,520
right you read this complete timeline

2859
01:51:37,189 --> 01:51:36,480
and there is an absence of of larry

2860
01:51:40,629 --> 01:51:37,199
warren uh

2861
01:51:43,350 --> 01:51:40,639
you know um all the way to uh uh

2862
01:51:44,470 --> 01:51:43,360
nearly the end of uh you and adrian

2863
01:51:46,149 --> 01:51:44,480
walking away

2864
01:51:48,390 --> 01:51:46,159
there there is there is no mention of

2865
01:51:49,750 --> 01:51:48,400
larry warren right because i didn't deal

2866
01:51:51,350 --> 01:51:49,760
with larry in the first night i didn't

2867
01:51:54,790 --> 01:51:51,360
deal with larry on the third night

2868
01:51:55,189 --> 01:51:54,800
but he did he did kind of summarize some

2869
01:52:00,229 --> 01:51:55,199
of

2870
01:52:02,629 --> 01:52:00,239
and left it up to the reader to decide

2871
01:52:05,910 --> 01:52:02,639
you know what i mean as far as

2872
01:52:06,790 --> 01:52:05,920
what larry's part was in this if any you

2873
01:52:09,109 --> 01:52:06,800
know what i mean but

2874
01:52:10,870 --> 01:52:09,119
there's no there's no really discussion

2875
01:52:12,709 --> 01:52:10,880
because i didn't deal with him on night

2876
01:52:13,270 --> 01:52:12,719
one or night three i you know i never

2877
01:52:15,270 --> 01:52:13,280
saw him

2878
01:52:16,390 --> 01:52:15,280
i didn't meet larry warren until i was

2879
01:52:18,310 --> 01:52:16,400
in california

2880
01:52:20,550 --> 01:52:18,320
actually i think that back phoenix was

2881
01:52:21,830 --> 01:52:20,560
the first time in california when

2882
01:52:23,589 --> 01:52:21,840
when they brought us out they were

2883
01:52:24,709 --> 01:52:23,599
talking about putting us on ufo cover up

2884
01:52:29,189 --> 01:52:24,719
live

2885
01:52:33,830 --> 01:52:33,189
first off how did how did richard doty

2886
01:52:37,430 --> 01:52:33,840
and you

2887
01:52:38,870 --> 01:52:37,440
first uh connect uh over rundleshim

2888
01:52:40,709 --> 01:52:38,880
well that was the interesting point

2889
01:52:41,750 --> 01:52:40,719
there's another guy from the uk that's

2890
01:52:44,709 --> 01:52:41,760
in this

2891
01:52:46,229 --> 01:52:44,719
his name's isaac coy and magically dodie

2892
01:52:47,910 --> 01:52:46,239
showed up on kroy's site and started

2893
01:52:50,149 --> 01:52:47,920
talking about some things

2894
01:52:51,270 --> 01:52:50,159
so at that point i reached out to him

2895
01:52:53,669 --> 01:52:51,280
and um

2896
01:52:55,109 --> 01:52:53,679
i had a conversation with him and that's

2897
01:52:57,270 --> 01:52:55,119
when lynn and i were doing phenomenal

2898
01:52:59,189 --> 01:52:57,280
and he actually came on at one point

2899
01:53:01,030 --> 01:52:59,199
but once i started talking to him he

2900
01:53:02,709 --> 01:53:01,040
knew stuff that no one else knew and

2901
01:53:04,629 --> 01:53:02,719
and dodi's summary of this was pretty

2902
01:53:05,270 --> 01:53:04,639
short and sweet which most people don't

2903
01:53:07,830 --> 01:53:05,280
even know

2904
01:53:08,790 --> 01:53:07,840
there was an incident prior to ours in

2905
01:53:12,149 --> 01:53:08,800
the late spring

2906
01:53:14,149 --> 01:53:12,159
early summer at kirkland um and

2907
01:53:15,589 --> 01:53:14,159
there was an incident a lot like ours at

2908
01:53:16,550 --> 01:53:15,599
a weapon storage area and stuff that

2909
01:53:19,750 --> 01:53:16,560
went down

2910
01:53:21,589 --> 01:53:19,760
and according to him he was in dc and he

2911
01:53:24,310 --> 01:53:21,599
was asked to review

2912
01:53:25,990 --> 01:53:24,320
our report so he he's verified there was

2913
01:53:26,870 --> 01:53:26,000
a report done which they claimed there

2914
01:53:28,870 --> 01:53:26,880
never was

2915
01:53:30,629 --> 01:53:28,880
but he has asked to review that report

2916
01:53:31,990 --> 01:53:30,639
for similarities to what happened at

2917
01:53:35,030 --> 01:53:32,000
kirkland

2918
01:53:36,470 --> 01:53:35,040
and what he described knowing about what

2919
01:53:38,229 --> 01:53:36,480
took what the event there was stuff in

2920
01:53:40,870 --> 01:53:38,239
there that no one else knew

2921
01:53:41,990 --> 01:53:40,880
so he had some kind of interaction with

2922
01:53:44,709 --> 01:53:42,000
what was going on

2923
01:53:46,550 --> 01:53:44,719
whether you know reading a report or you

2924
01:53:48,229 --> 01:53:46,560
know maybe he was there for all we know

2925
01:53:50,149 --> 01:53:48,239
now why do you think it took so many

2926
01:53:52,830 --> 01:53:50,159
years for for dodie

2927
01:53:54,070 --> 01:53:52,840
to to reach out and make contact about

2928
01:53:57,830 --> 01:53:54,080
this

2929
01:53:58,229 --> 01:53:57,840
with the to the star stuff that started

2930
01:54:00,149 --> 01:53:58,239
when

2931
01:54:01,830 --> 01:54:00,159
green showed up in my life then i met

2932
01:54:04,550 --> 01:54:01,840
with some of them and put off

2933
01:54:05,030 --> 01:54:04,560
and those guys and then then dodie um

2934
01:54:08,229 --> 01:54:05,040
you know

2935
01:54:10,149 --> 01:54:08,239
he didn't come to me he actually made

2936
01:54:11,430 --> 01:54:10,159
he actually made a statement on somebody

2937
01:54:13,430 --> 01:54:11,440
else's page

2938
01:54:14,629 --> 01:54:13,440
and then i reached out to him and then

2939
01:54:16,149 --> 01:54:14,639
and in the book

2940
01:54:18,229 --> 01:54:16,159
he actually connected me with one of the

2941
01:54:21,350 --> 01:54:18,239
osi agents that was involved

2942
01:54:22,470 --> 01:54:21,360
and he wrote a summary of what went on

2943
01:54:24,790 --> 01:54:22,480
and it's in the book

2944
01:54:25,830 --> 01:54:24,800
and the other interesting thing is is

2945
01:54:29,109 --> 01:54:25,840
that um

2946
01:54:29,669 --> 01:54:29,119
this guy knew stuff that you know no one

2947
01:54:32,390 --> 01:54:29,679
else knew

2948
01:54:34,229 --> 01:54:32,400
in the summary and halt verified that

2949
01:54:37,430 --> 01:54:34,239
this guy was involved

2950
01:54:39,910 --> 01:54:37,440
so now the email

2951
01:54:41,030 --> 01:54:39,920
correspondence is in the book is any of

2952
01:54:44,310 --> 01:54:41,040
that redacted

2953
01:54:47,109 --> 01:54:44,320
or is is that it as as

2954
01:54:48,149 --> 01:54:47,119
it was sent to you it's exactly how it

2955
01:54:50,390 --> 01:54:48,159
was sent to me

2956
01:54:51,750 --> 01:54:50,400
as far as the the guy's email was never

2957
01:54:53,750 --> 01:54:51,760
given to me in fact

2958
01:54:55,510 --> 01:54:53,760
i wanted to follow up more and i was

2959
01:54:57,270 --> 01:54:55,520
told that he the guy

2960
01:54:58,950 --> 01:54:57,280
the guy was not going to be allowed to

2961
01:55:01,270 --> 01:54:58,960
because it all of a sudden got hot

2962
01:55:02,229 --> 01:55:01,280
as far as this was all back a couple

2963
01:55:03,750 --> 01:55:02,239
years ago when

2964
01:55:05,430 --> 01:55:03,760
um all of a sudden there was interest

2965
01:55:07,189 --> 01:55:05,440
more interesting randall showman to the

2966
01:55:09,750 --> 01:55:07,199
stars was really pushing it

2967
01:55:11,589 --> 01:55:09,760
really hard and stuff so there was

2968
01:55:13,669 --> 01:55:11,599
supposedly some of this was being

2969
01:55:14,709 --> 01:55:13,679
briefed to congress our event was being

2970
01:55:16,310 --> 01:55:14,719
briefed to congress

2971
01:55:18,229 --> 01:55:16,320
and the other interesting thing was that

2972
01:55:19,750 --> 01:55:18,239
mccain who helped me get my settlement

2973
01:55:21,589 --> 01:55:19,760
was brought into all of this with other

2974
01:55:23,189 --> 01:55:21,599
declassified documents

2975
01:55:26,070 --> 01:55:23,199
and classified documents that haven't

2976
01:55:28,470 --> 01:55:26,080
been declassified now there is a name

2977
01:55:29,430 --> 01:55:28,480
uh it's in the book i'll just say it

2978
01:55:33,189 --> 01:55:29,440
right now this

2979
01:55:36,310 --> 01:55:33,199
agent that uh that wrote this summary

2980
01:55:39,830 --> 01:55:36,320
his first name is don um are you

2981
01:55:41,910 --> 01:55:39,840
able to verify who he was and

2982
01:55:43,589 --> 01:55:41,920
and is there a possibility of taking

2983
01:55:45,669 --> 01:55:43,599
this a step further

2984
01:55:47,750 --> 01:55:45,679
well the the problem with me was with

2985
01:55:48,229 --> 01:55:47,760
that was that verified this guy was

2986
01:55:49,910 --> 01:55:48,239
there

2987
01:55:51,750 --> 01:55:49,920
through hall and the names and stuff

2988
01:55:54,070 --> 01:55:51,760
that were in the email but i haven't

2989
01:55:56,629 --> 01:55:54,080
pursued it any further no i haven't

2990
01:55:58,390 --> 01:55:56,639
you know tried to track the guy down um

2991
01:55:59,830 --> 01:55:58,400
because it was made clear to me that

2992
01:56:01,510 --> 01:55:59,840
they weren't they were no longer going

2993
01:56:03,109 --> 01:56:01,520
to be able to talk any further right now

2994
01:56:03,910 --> 01:56:03,119
because of what was going on behind the

2995
01:56:05,990 --> 01:56:03,920
scenes

2996
01:56:07,510 --> 01:56:06,000
and it really was at that point there

2997
01:56:09,270 --> 01:56:07,520
was committee meetings going on and

2998
01:56:11,990 --> 01:56:09,280
different things were happening

2999
01:56:13,589 --> 01:56:12,000
so i would assume you know i can't say

3000
01:56:14,790 --> 01:56:13,599
for sure that they just didn't want to

3001
01:56:17,350 --> 01:56:14,800
talk to me further

3002
01:56:18,790 --> 01:56:17,360
but it may be reynolds introduced and

3003
01:56:20,390 --> 01:56:18,800
you'd have to think it was

3004
01:56:21,830 --> 01:56:20,400
because of mccain's background with

3005
01:56:24,709 --> 01:56:21,840
rendelsome in the first place

3006
01:56:25,030 --> 01:56:24,719
do you know what i'm saying i do and now

3007
01:56:30,870 --> 01:56:25,040
uh

3008
01:56:31,990 --> 01:56:30,880
it's it's worth the purchase of the book

3009
01:56:34,149 --> 01:56:32,000
right there

3010
01:56:35,510 --> 01:56:34,159
um i was so concerned about it i called

3011
01:56:39,109 --> 01:56:35,520
you right away wanted to

3012
01:56:40,709 --> 01:56:39,119
talk about it but there was one part of

3013
01:56:43,589 --> 01:56:40,719
that email

3014
01:56:44,149 --> 01:56:43,599
that stood out for me and that is that

3015
01:56:47,830 --> 01:56:44,159
there

3016
01:56:51,109 --> 01:56:47,840
is a 13-part report

3017
01:56:53,750 --> 01:56:51,119
written on rendlesham right which

3018
01:56:56,070 --> 01:56:53,760
says to all of us that there is some

3019
01:56:58,229 --> 01:56:56,080
serious documentation inside of the

3020
01:57:00,470 --> 01:56:58,239
the air force and possibly through the

3021
01:57:03,910 --> 01:57:00,480
cia and the nsa

3022
01:57:05,830 --> 01:57:03,920
uh about rental shim that does exist

3023
01:57:07,589 --> 01:57:05,840
right and there's no doubt because one

3024
01:57:09,030 --> 01:57:07,599
of the things that we did a foia on when

3025
01:57:10,149 --> 01:57:09,040
we first started with this we went to

3026
01:57:11,589 --> 01:57:10,159
the state department the state

3027
01:57:12,390 --> 01:57:11,599
department said there was documents that

3028
01:57:14,390 --> 01:57:12,400
existed

3029
01:57:16,149 --> 01:57:14,400
but it was air force based and that the

3030
01:57:17,430 --> 01:57:16,159
air force had to give us permission for

3031
01:57:18,790 --> 01:57:17,440
them to release them to us

3032
01:57:20,950 --> 01:57:18,800
went to the air force the air force

3033
01:57:22,870 --> 01:57:20,960
tonight these documents existed

3034
01:57:24,470 --> 01:57:22,880
so our next option was to go to court

3035
01:57:26,149 --> 01:57:24,480
which actually we were getting ready to

3036
01:57:28,070 --> 01:57:26,159
do and different angles we were going to

3037
01:57:30,470 --> 01:57:28,080
go to court on several different angles

3038
01:57:32,229 --> 01:57:30,480
and that's when settlement came in um i

3039
01:57:34,229 --> 01:57:32,239
just got this uh

3040
01:57:36,550 --> 01:57:34,239
tweet in i'm going to get this in before

3041
01:57:39,270 --> 01:57:36,560
the break the question is can you ask

3042
01:57:40,310 --> 01:57:39,280
john if the incident was included on the

3043
01:57:41,990 --> 01:57:40,320
blotter

3044
01:57:43,589 --> 01:57:42,000
and if there happens to be a copy

3045
01:57:45,669 --> 01:57:43,599
floating around

3046
01:57:47,430 --> 01:57:45,679
well according to hall the yes that was

3047
01:57:48,950 --> 01:57:47,440
in the blotter it was in our blotter the

3048
01:57:50,229 --> 01:57:48,960
first night there was the second night

3049
01:57:51,990 --> 01:57:50,239
was put in the blotter

3050
01:57:53,589 --> 01:57:52,000
there was instant reports done on all

3051
01:57:55,030 --> 01:57:53,599
three nights and blotter entries

3052
01:57:57,270 --> 01:57:55,040
but according to halt they all

3053
01:57:58,709 --> 01:57:57,280
disappeared now what we've learned is

3054
01:57:59,589 --> 01:57:58,719
gabriel came in and took all the

3055
01:58:01,990 --> 01:57:59,599
information

3056
01:58:03,189 --> 01:58:02,000
with him to ramstein right you know

3057
01:58:05,669 --> 01:58:03,199
right after the event

3058
01:58:07,189 --> 01:58:05,679
so basically most likely what happened

3059
01:58:08,310 --> 01:58:07,199
was the stuff was all classified and

3060
01:58:10,070 --> 01:58:08,320
taken away

3061
01:58:11,990 --> 01:58:10,080
let's take our break right here our

3062
01:58:13,990 --> 01:58:12,000
guest tonight john burroughs we're

3063
01:58:17,270 --> 01:58:14,000
talking about his new book now the book

3064
01:58:19,830 --> 01:58:17,280
is released tomorrow the links for it

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3187
02:03:44,390 --> 02:03:42,719
welcome back fade to black i'm nervous

3188
02:03:46,790 --> 02:03:44,400
jimmy church tonight john burroughs is

3189
02:03:48,709 --> 02:03:46,800
here we had james warro his co-author

3190
02:03:49,510 --> 02:03:48,719
live with us earlier from the united

3191
02:03:52,310 --> 02:03:49,520
kingdom

3192
02:03:53,350 --> 02:03:52,320
the book is released tomorrow and the

3193
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at jimmychurchradio.com it is called

3195
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weaponization of an

3196
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3197
02:04:05,030 --> 02:04:04,239
john let's talk specifically uh for for

3198
02:04:07,669 --> 02:04:05,040
a minute

3199
02:04:09,030 --> 02:04:07,679
about the title of the book i think it's

3200
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very important here what are we

3201
02:04:14,870 --> 02:04:11,199
suggesting

3202
02:04:16,470 --> 02:04:14,880
that they've developed um technology off

3203
02:04:16,790 --> 02:04:16,480
this phenomenon they've been working on

3204
02:04:19,990 --> 02:04:16,800
it

3205
02:04:23,030 --> 02:04:20,000
probably since the 60s and 70s

3206
02:04:24,629 --> 02:04:23,040
you know and you know they it that we

3207
02:04:26,790 --> 02:04:24,639
were right there

3208
02:04:28,790 --> 02:04:26,800
reynolds from took place right at

3209
02:04:30,229 --> 02:04:28,800
probably the r d phase

3210
02:04:32,390 --> 02:04:30,239
you know where they were working on all

3211
02:04:34,069 --> 02:04:32,400
this and putting it all together um

3212
02:04:35,910 --> 02:04:34,079
there was a story i was told by an army

3213
02:04:37,669 --> 02:04:35,920
colonel that said that you know you know

3214
02:04:38,950 --> 02:04:37,679
you were aware of the 70s you know they

3215
02:04:41,750 --> 02:04:38,960
had all the issues

3216
02:04:43,030 --> 02:04:41,760
the cia had issues with uh you know what

3217
02:04:46,310 --> 02:04:43,040
they were doing with the

3218
02:04:48,149 --> 02:04:46,320
you know the um debriefs the lsd and all

3219
02:04:50,149 --> 02:04:48,159
this other stuff that was going on

3220
02:04:51,669 --> 02:04:50,159
and they got caught doing it and then

3221
02:04:53,350 --> 02:04:51,679
they were supposedly uh

3222
02:04:55,109 --> 02:04:53,360
they went to congress with it and then

3223
02:04:56,870 --> 02:04:55,119
the documents disappeared

3224
02:04:58,709 --> 02:04:56,880
but ultimately they moved a lot of this

3225
02:05:00,229 --> 02:04:58,719
technology over to england never mind

3226
02:05:00,870 --> 02:05:00,239
the fact that the radar systems were

3227
02:05:03,750 --> 02:05:00,880
there

3228
02:05:05,189 --> 02:05:03,760
and they had all the technology and the

3229
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other part was that

3230
02:05:09,510 --> 02:05:07,119
most people don't know this but nick

3231
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pope's father was neck deep in all this

3232
02:05:12,870 --> 02:05:11,119
he was in charge of the technology

3233
02:05:14,149 --> 02:05:12,880
division inside the mod at the time of

3234
02:05:17,589 --> 02:05:14,159
the incident

3235
02:05:20,709 --> 02:05:17,599
uh the the question of memory

3236
02:05:23,990 --> 02:05:20,719
uh as this comes into play uh

3237
02:05:25,189 --> 02:05:24,000
there is some discrepancy here with halt

3238
02:05:28,470 --> 02:05:25,199
directly in that

3239
02:05:32,470 --> 02:05:28,480
uh uh centers around adrian bistinza

3240
02:05:35,990 --> 02:05:32,480
where halt said uh many times that

3241
02:05:38,310 --> 02:05:36,000
besenza never left his side um

3242
02:05:40,629 --> 02:05:38,320
are we at a point now where we can say

3243
02:05:43,189 --> 02:05:40,639
clearly that was not the case

3244
02:05:44,310 --> 02:05:43,199
well it started with he wasn't there

3245
02:05:45,990 --> 02:05:44,320
adrian and i weren't there

3246
02:05:47,669 --> 02:05:46,000
that was when the story first broke we

3247
02:05:49,990 --> 02:05:47,679
weren't there and then

3248
02:05:51,830 --> 02:05:50,000
georgina bruni broke that by getting the

3249
02:05:54,069 --> 02:05:51,840
tape you know cleaned up and

3250
02:05:55,990 --> 02:05:54,079
adria's was name was on the tape and so

3251
02:05:57,830 --> 02:05:56,000
was mine so we were involved

3252
02:05:59,270 --> 02:05:57,840
but then he said we were never involved

3253
02:06:01,270 --> 02:05:59,280
with the party and then

3254
02:06:03,109 --> 02:06:01,280
the whole saga with warren through the

3255
02:06:05,350 --> 02:06:03,119
years ended up being that

3256
02:06:06,229 --> 02:06:05,360
he then came back and said adrian's with

3257
02:06:08,229 --> 02:06:06,239
him the whole time

3258
02:06:09,990 --> 02:06:08,239
but then in his own book he now admits

3259
02:06:11,750 --> 02:06:10,000
that adrian and i went forward

3260
02:06:13,589 --> 02:06:11,760
so what's that tell you in his own book

3261
02:06:14,310 --> 02:06:13,599
in his own words he admits that he

3262
02:06:16,149 --> 02:06:14,320
actually allowed

3263
02:06:17,910 --> 02:06:16,159
adrian and i to go to forward in front

3264
02:06:20,470 --> 02:06:17,920
of his group so actually

3265
02:06:21,830 --> 02:06:20,480
yeah adrian left aside and the tape even

3266
02:06:23,350 --> 02:06:21,840
didn't have adrian with them all the

3267
02:06:24,550 --> 02:06:23,360
time either he was out running around

3268
02:06:27,189 --> 02:06:24,560
doing other stuff

3269
02:06:27,589 --> 02:06:27,199
now i've heard of both versions of the

3270
02:06:31,589 --> 02:06:27,599
tape

3271
02:06:34,790 --> 02:06:31,599
and i do remember uh being very confused

3272
02:06:38,870 --> 02:06:34,800
back in 1995 where it

3273
02:06:40,790 --> 02:06:38,880
seemed to be jumping around right

3274
02:06:41,990 --> 02:06:40,800
it didn't match and i thought i was

3275
02:06:45,589 --> 02:06:42,000
listening to

3276
02:06:48,790 --> 02:06:45,599
an unedited version of the events

3277
02:06:50,950 --> 02:06:48,800
but it it it seemed to be

3278
02:06:52,470 --> 02:06:50,960
i i i don't want to sound like i'm

3279
02:06:56,229 --> 02:06:52,480
beating around the bush

3280
02:06:59,589 --> 02:06:56,239
but i was hearing things about radar

3281
02:07:01,270 --> 02:06:59,599
not radar radiation um and then it jumps

3282
02:07:03,189 --> 02:07:01,280
to something else and then it comes back

3283
02:07:05,910 --> 02:07:03,199
to it's like you guys were

3284
02:07:08,069 --> 02:07:05,920
uh or halt was bouncing around the force

3285
02:07:11,189 --> 02:07:08,079
and who is in one place

3286
02:07:14,470 --> 02:07:11,199
uh am i is explaining myself correctly

3287
02:07:16,069 --> 02:07:14,480
was was the tape physically altered well

3288
02:07:17,270 --> 02:07:16,079
there's two things number one it was a

3289
02:07:17,589 --> 02:07:17,280
tape where you could switch it on and

3290
02:07:19,669 --> 02:07:17,599
off

3291
02:07:21,350 --> 02:07:19,679
it was a little a cassette tape so he

3292
02:07:23,830 --> 02:07:21,360
could have talked in it

3293
02:07:25,510 --> 02:07:23,840
switched it off the other factor was

3294
02:07:26,229 --> 02:07:25,520
most likely because there's piano

3295
02:07:28,709 --> 02:07:26,239
playing

3296
02:07:30,229 --> 02:07:28,719
at one point the one tape was they

3297
02:07:32,709 --> 02:07:30,239
probably did edit it

3298
02:07:33,510 --> 02:07:32,719
and it was probably i mean it could have

3299
02:07:36,870 --> 02:07:33,520
been

3300
02:07:38,390 --> 02:07:36,880
done you know taken and edited what wing

3301
02:07:40,709 --> 02:07:38,400
intel or whatever but there's also a

3302
02:07:42,709 --> 02:07:40,719
possibility they just edited it by

3303
02:07:44,550 --> 02:07:42,719
taking it and playing it you know off

3304
02:07:46,550 --> 02:07:44,560
that recorded another recorder and

3305
02:07:48,149 --> 02:07:46,560
taking out certain things because

3306
02:07:49,669 --> 02:07:48,159
it's clear and it's a little bit in the

3307
02:07:51,350 --> 02:07:49,679
timeline but there's more to it ronnie

3308
02:07:54,709 --> 02:07:51,360
knows more about it where

3309
02:07:57,030 --> 02:07:54,719
um there was stuff that was

3310
02:07:57,830 --> 02:07:57,040
kept out that was never released and the

3311
02:08:00,310 --> 02:07:57,840
tape the tape

3312
02:08:01,270 --> 02:08:00,320
actually was you know edited however

3313
02:08:03,750 --> 02:08:01,280
they did it now

3314
02:08:06,310 --> 02:08:03,760
and and bernie was able to uh bring this

3315
02:08:08,310 --> 02:08:06,320
forward many many years ago right

3316
02:08:09,750 --> 02:08:08,320
yeah she cleaned the tape up she got her

3317
02:08:11,510 --> 02:08:09,760
hands on one of the original tapes

3318
02:08:12,950 --> 02:08:11,520
supposedly and then they took it

3319
02:08:14,310 --> 02:08:12,960
and they took it in the studio and

3320
02:08:15,270 --> 02:08:14,320
cleaned it up and that's when you can

3321
02:08:16,629 --> 02:08:15,280
hear things

3322
02:08:18,069 --> 02:08:16,639
clearly because if you listen to the

3323
02:08:18,870 --> 02:08:18,079
tape it stands his name and then you

3324
02:08:20,310 --> 02:08:18,880
hear me

3325
02:08:21,830 --> 02:08:20,320
where they say we have airman barrels

3326
02:08:23,589 --> 02:08:21,840
and two other personnel at our location

3327
02:08:25,430 --> 02:08:23,599
requesting a rendezvous with you

3328
02:08:26,870 --> 02:08:25,440
ball jumps in and says not at this

3329
02:08:27,830 --> 02:08:26,880
moment we'll let them know when they can

3330
02:08:30,629 --> 02:08:27,840
meet up with us

3331
02:08:32,470 --> 02:08:30,639
right and did that force um because you

3332
02:08:36,069 --> 02:08:32,480
can clearly hear adrian

3333
02:08:39,750 --> 02:08:36,079
uh trying to get his radio

3334
02:08:43,030 --> 02:08:39,760
to work or um how there was issues with

3335
02:08:43,990 --> 02:08:43,040
uh the transmissions and and adrian is

3336
02:08:47,109 --> 02:08:44,000
struggling with that

3337
02:08:49,430 --> 02:08:47,119
did that force halt's hand

3338
02:08:51,030 --> 02:08:49,440
no what false what really forced halt's

3339
02:08:53,830 --> 02:08:51,040
hand on the whole thing was

3340
02:08:55,830 --> 02:08:53,840
the partly was the tape but then also i

3341
02:08:57,109 --> 02:08:55,840
got a recorded tape that he was doing an

3342
02:08:59,430 --> 02:08:57,119
interview with uh

3343
02:09:00,470 --> 02:08:59,440
peter robbins and he was in and he did

3344
02:09:02,390 --> 02:09:00,480
an argument with

3345
02:09:03,510 --> 02:09:02,400
uh warren about who was there and who

3346
02:09:05,430 --> 02:09:03,520
went forward

3347
02:09:07,109 --> 02:09:05,440
and he slipped up and said that adrian

3348
02:09:09,990 --> 02:09:07,119
and i went forward

3349
02:09:11,030 --> 02:09:10,000
and what do we what do we do with that

3350
02:09:13,910 --> 02:09:11,040
is that

3351
02:09:14,550 --> 02:09:13,920
do you think that that is halt's memory

3352
02:09:17,830 --> 02:09:14,560
um

3353
02:09:18,470 --> 02:09:17,840
being messed with and a further question

3354
02:09:20,790 --> 02:09:18,480
is

3355
02:09:26,629 --> 02:09:20,800
uh to that do you think that maybe you

3356
02:09:34,310 --> 02:09:29,990
oh did i lose you john

3357
02:09:37,510 --> 02:09:34,320
oh i think we just lost john burroughs

3358
02:09:39,750 --> 02:09:37,520
john are you there yeah i'm here

3359
02:09:41,350 --> 02:09:39,760
oh don't don't freak us out like that i

3360
02:09:42,629 --> 02:09:41,360
don't know what happened it just faded

3361
02:09:45,510 --> 02:09:42,639
but um

3362
02:09:46,149 --> 02:09:45,520
my point was this okay halt has played

3363
02:09:48,470 --> 02:09:46,159
the game

3364
02:09:49,990 --> 02:09:48,480
so some of it's not memory being messed

3365
02:09:52,709 --> 02:09:50,000
with in other words

3366
02:09:54,470 --> 02:09:52,719
he didn't admit to anything that he had

3367
02:09:55,030 --> 02:09:54,480
didn't have to admit to until evidence

3368
02:09:58,310 --> 02:09:55,040
became

3369
02:09:59,270 --> 02:09:58,320
clear that that could he couldn't refute

3370
02:10:01,350 --> 02:09:59,280
it any further

3371
02:10:02,870 --> 02:10:01,360
but i have met with him a couple times

3372
02:10:04,709 --> 02:10:02,880
where there was stuff brought up or it

3373
02:10:06,470 --> 02:10:04,719
looked like he was struggling

3374
02:10:08,310 --> 02:10:06,480
you know himself he was struggling to

3375
02:10:11,510 --> 02:10:08,320
try to put things together

3376
02:10:12,629 --> 02:10:11,520
so i would say number one some of it he

3377
02:10:15,350 --> 02:10:12,639
intentionally has done

3378
02:10:17,430 --> 02:10:15,360
and he's tried to hide the part of what

3379
02:10:19,990 --> 02:10:17,440
happened to adrian and i

3380
02:10:21,510 --> 02:10:20,000
forever um some people speculated he was

3381
02:10:23,589 --> 02:10:21,520
trying to protect us which

3382
02:10:25,270 --> 02:10:23,599
maybe was true somewhat but then he

3383
02:10:27,510 --> 02:10:25,280
would tear us apart

3384
02:10:29,189 --> 02:10:27,520
he would not he wouldn't just not talk

3385
02:10:30,149 --> 02:10:29,199
about it but he would try to tear apart

3386
02:10:32,790 --> 02:10:30,159
our character

3387
02:10:33,189 --> 02:10:32,800
and we were able to prove otherwise you

3388
02:10:35,510 --> 02:10:33,199
know

3389
02:10:36,470 --> 02:10:35,520
and then the other stuff was he probably

3390
02:10:38,790 --> 02:10:36,480
was messed with

3391
02:10:40,709 --> 02:10:38,800
if you look at what dodie said and stuff

3392
02:10:42,709 --> 02:10:40,719
halt was it definitely

3393
02:10:44,229 --> 02:10:42,719
was one of us one of the people that was

3394
02:10:47,189 --> 02:10:44,239
taken in and debriefed

3395
02:10:47,669 --> 02:10:47,199
yeah he gets angry he gets angry too

3396
02:10:50,790 --> 02:10:47,679
quick

3397
02:10:51,189 --> 02:10:50,800
i'm talking about uh charles halt um and

3398
02:10:53,750 --> 02:10:51,199
i don't

3399
02:10:55,510 --> 02:10:53,760
understand why uh you know he definitely

3400
02:10:58,149 --> 02:10:55,520
when he starts to get frustrated

3401
02:10:59,669 --> 02:10:58,159
he gets very defensive on this and do

3402
02:11:03,030 --> 02:10:59,679
you think that part of that

3403
02:11:05,910 --> 02:11:03,040
may be that if this

3404
02:11:07,830 --> 02:11:05,920
was some type of weaponization of

3405
02:11:11,109 --> 02:11:07,840
technology

3406
02:11:12,790 --> 02:11:11,119
that means he was duped right

3407
02:11:14,149 --> 02:11:12,800
i think that's some of it i think some

3408
02:11:16,390 --> 02:11:14,159
of it he was read into

3409
02:11:18,390 --> 02:11:16,400
because he had to have they had to have

3410
02:11:20,390 --> 02:11:18,400
somebody to run point on this

3411
02:11:22,149 --> 02:11:20,400
because he wrote the memo and it was

3412
02:11:24,470 --> 02:11:22,159
clear that it probably

3413
02:11:26,149 --> 02:11:24,480
was going to eventually get out you know

3414
02:11:26,790 --> 02:11:26,159
there was too many people that saw

3415
02:11:29,189 --> 02:11:26,800
something

3416
02:11:30,229 --> 02:11:29,199
that would talk about it i don't know if

3417
02:11:32,310 --> 02:11:30,239
they expected

3418
02:11:34,709 --> 02:11:32,320
uh the news of the world to break the

3419
02:11:37,109 --> 02:11:34,719
story like it happened you know with

3420
02:11:38,629 --> 02:11:37,119
the memo actually being released that

3421
02:11:41,510 --> 02:11:38,639
was always a strange thing

3422
02:11:41,990 --> 02:11:41,520
you know how the memo got got handed

3423
02:11:44,310 --> 02:11:42,000
over

3424
02:11:46,149 --> 02:11:44,320
when the foia was done and they actually

3425
02:11:47,270 --> 02:11:46,159
released it it never added up to me

3426
02:11:48,870 --> 02:11:47,280
because they have no

3427
02:11:50,709 --> 02:11:48,880
problems holding back other documents

3428
02:11:52,950 --> 02:11:50,719
but they actually did release

3429
02:11:54,550 --> 02:11:52,960
the memo unless it just was it was

3430
02:11:55,589 --> 02:11:54,560
getting too hot and they had to throw

3431
02:11:57,510 --> 02:11:55,599
something out there

3432
02:11:59,270 --> 02:11:57,520
and the memo was not factual it had the

3433
02:12:00,149 --> 02:11:59,280
dates wrong and a bunch of stuff wrong

3434
02:12:02,709 --> 02:12:00,159
in it

3435
02:12:04,390 --> 02:12:02,719
so you know that caused the whole

3436
02:12:06,790 --> 02:12:04,400
dilemma for years

3437
02:12:07,910 --> 02:12:06,800
of trying to put the stuff together now

3438
02:12:11,030 --> 02:12:07,920
in in

3439
02:12:12,550 --> 02:12:11,040
this email from the agent there's uh

3440
02:12:15,270 --> 02:12:12,560
a couple other things that really stuck

3441
02:12:18,790 --> 02:12:15,280
out to me and and one of them

3442
02:12:20,390 --> 02:12:18,800
was uh when the cia arrived on the scene

3443
02:12:22,790 --> 02:12:20,400
right and all of that was in early

3444
02:12:24,629 --> 02:12:22,800
january it wasn't like

3445
02:12:26,069 --> 02:12:24,639
you know christmas day or the day after

3446
02:12:28,390 --> 02:12:26,079
christmas or or

3447
02:12:29,350 --> 02:12:28,400
the 28th that didn't happen until

3448
02:12:32,629 --> 02:12:29,360
january

3449
02:12:36,229 --> 02:12:32,639
and in the nsa i believe it was the nsa

3450
02:12:38,870 --> 02:12:36,239
um other agents appeared uh uh

3451
02:12:40,629 --> 02:12:38,880
out to investigate this in the middle of

3452
02:12:43,510 --> 02:12:40,639
january do you recall

3453
02:12:45,510 --> 02:12:43,520
any of that yeah the plane came in from

3454
02:12:47,669 --> 02:12:45,520
langley i saw the plane land and there

3455
02:12:49,750 --> 02:12:47,679
was stuff going on out in the woods

3456
02:12:51,350 --> 02:12:49,760
the three swings i came back to work i

3457
02:12:52,790 --> 02:12:51,360
was stuck on the back gate and they told

3458
02:12:53,830 --> 02:12:52,800
me they put me there because i'd already

3459
02:12:55,589 --> 02:12:53,840
been involved

3460
02:12:57,189 --> 02:12:55,599
and if i saw anything strange just to

3461
02:12:59,109 --> 02:12:57,199
call it in on the phone don't use the

3462
02:13:00,550 --> 02:12:59,119
radar radio but

3463
02:13:03,750 --> 02:13:00,560
so yeah there was all kinds of stuff

3464
02:13:04,470 --> 02:13:03,760
going on now the interesting thing was

3465
02:13:07,030 --> 02:13:04,480
is that

3466
02:13:09,270 --> 02:13:07,040
you know one of the things in the book

3467
02:13:11,669 --> 02:13:09,280
one of the things that um

3468
02:13:13,030 --> 02:13:11,679
wynn goes into was the whole satellite

3469
02:13:13,990 --> 02:13:13,040
thing which you have to read the book

3470
02:13:15,910 --> 02:13:14,000
but hall

3471
02:13:17,189 --> 02:13:15,920
didn't discredit that that was part of

3472
02:13:20,629 --> 02:13:17,199
what was going on

3473
02:13:24,470 --> 02:13:20,639
now why why would the

3474
02:13:27,189 --> 02:13:24,480
in your best estimation uh why would

3475
02:13:27,910 --> 02:13:27,199
the cia and the nsa come in after the

3476
02:13:30,950 --> 02:13:27,920
fact

3477
02:13:33,030 --> 02:13:30,960
and especially if this was uh

3478
02:13:34,149 --> 02:13:33,040
a secret program you know the

3479
02:13:37,030 --> 02:13:34,159
weaponization of

3480
02:13:38,470 --> 02:13:37,040
a possible alien technology why would

3481
02:13:41,030 --> 02:13:38,480
they come in after the fact shouldn't

3482
02:13:43,669 --> 02:13:41,040
they have been read in way before

3483
02:13:45,109 --> 02:13:43,679
well everything's compartmentalized now

3484
02:13:47,189 --> 02:13:45,119
the cia would have come in

3485
02:13:48,629 --> 02:13:47,199
because they also well i don't want to

3486
02:13:49,990 --> 02:13:48,639
give it away but there was something

3487
02:13:52,390 --> 02:13:50,000
happen with the russians

3488
02:13:54,390 --> 02:13:52,400
but also the fact is that they would be

3489
02:13:55,430 --> 02:13:54,400
looking at what we saw and what took

3490
02:13:57,030 --> 02:13:55,440
place

3491
02:13:58,950 --> 02:13:57,040
well you know who was involved what was

3492
02:14:00,950 --> 02:13:58,960
going on the nsa was brought in

3493
02:14:02,709 --> 02:14:00,960
because every time this thing would

3494
02:14:04,069 --> 02:14:02,719
happen there was an anomaly that took

3495
02:14:06,950 --> 02:14:04,079
place there was some

3496
02:14:08,149 --> 02:14:06,960
kind of anomaly like a message or i

3497
02:14:10,709 --> 02:14:08,159
don't know how to explain it

3498
02:14:12,790 --> 02:14:10,719
that they were picking up and and that

3499
02:14:14,310 --> 02:14:12,800
um brought the nsa in to put equipment

3500
02:14:15,430 --> 02:14:14,320
out there according to them to try to

3501
02:14:18,790 --> 02:14:15,440
figure it out

3502
02:14:20,629 --> 02:14:18,800
but i mean the the bottom line was

3503
02:14:22,069 --> 02:14:20,639
probably the left hand wasn't telling

3504
02:14:22,550 --> 02:14:22,079
the right hand everything that was going

3505
02:14:25,109 --> 02:14:22,560
on

3506
02:14:26,790 --> 02:14:25,119
do you understand i mean you'd have yeah

3507
02:14:27,910 --> 02:14:26,800
the british were involved the americans

3508
02:14:30,149 --> 02:14:27,920
were involved um

3509
02:14:31,830 --> 02:14:30,159
scientists were involved and they may

3510
02:14:33,669 --> 02:14:31,840
not have told them everything and and

3511
02:14:36,229 --> 02:14:33,679
never mind the fact that cobra mist was

3512
02:14:39,430 --> 02:14:36,239
shut down because of its anomaly so

3513
02:14:43,189 --> 02:14:39,440
now uh do you think uh halt would

3514
02:14:45,350 --> 02:14:43,199
accept uh being a

3515
02:14:47,510 --> 02:14:45,360
lack of a better word of stooge in in

3516
02:14:48,629 --> 02:14:47,520
all of this and being played for so many

3517
02:14:51,350 --> 02:14:48,639
years

3518
02:14:51,990 --> 02:14:51,360
no not at all not at all he's a colonel

3519
02:14:55,510 --> 02:14:52,000
and

3520
02:14:58,069 --> 02:14:55,520
combination of both

3521
02:14:58,790 --> 02:14:58,079
um partly he was read in and he was to

3522
02:15:01,030 --> 02:14:58,800
take point

3523
02:15:02,229 --> 02:15:01,040
and you know keep it under control as

3524
02:15:04,709 --> 02:15:02,239
best as he could

3525
02:15:06,229 --> 02:15:04,719
and partly he had his memory altered too

3526
02:15:06,870 --> 02:15:06,239
so he didn't remember everything you

3527
02:15:08,470 --> 02:15:06,880
know

3528
02:15:10,229 --> 02:15:08,480
and i don't think there's any way

3529
02:15:10,709 --> 02:15:10,239
because he's n he's always denied that

3530
02:15:13,350 --> 02:15:10,719
he never

3531
02:15:15,030 --> 02:15:13,360
he was ever talked to and he just the

3532
02:15:16,709 --> 02:15:15,040
guy was out there in the forest had an

3533
02:15:17,109 --> 02:15:16,719
encounter with something he has a tape

3534
02:15:19,270 --> 02:15:17,119
and

3535
02:15:21,189 --> 02:15:19,280
he wants everybody to believe that these

3536
02:15:22,629 --> 02:15:21,199
teams came in and he's the ones pushed

3537
02:15:23,270 --> 02:15:22,639
it too they were there they were looking

3538
02:15:25,510 --> 02:15:23,280
at this

3539
02:15:27,669 --> 02:15:25,520
and yet none nobody wanted to talk to

3540
02:15:31,030 --> 02:15:27,679
him about it that's just not realistic

3541
02:15:31,750 --> 02:15:31,040
now what do we uh ultimately do with all

3542
02:15:34,830 --> 02:15:31,760
of this

3543
02:15:37,510 --> 02:15:34,840
with the the revelations of the

3544
02:15:38,870 --> 02:15:37,520
possibility of this tic tac incident in

3545
02:15:40,709 --> 02:15:38,880
2004

3546
02:15:41,910 --> 02:15:40,719
uh with the nimitz and of course the

3547
02:15:44,550 --> 02:15:41,920
roosevelt

3548
02:15:45,830 --> 02:15:44,560
uh some of the recent stuff that has

3549
02:15:48,149 --> 02:15:45,840
come to light

3550
02:15:50,069 --> 02:15:48,159
uh are we looking at the tic tac as

3551
02:15:52,390 --> 02:15:50,079
reversed engineered uh

3552
02:15:53,350 --> 02:15:52,400
alien technology that's been an ongoing

3553
02:15:57,830 --> 02:15:53,360
program

3554
02:16:00,709 --> 02:15:57,840
uh going back to maybe uh the mid 70s

3555
02:16:01,669 --> 02:16:00,719
no no doubt that this is deception i

3556
02:16:03,589 --> 02:16:01,679
mean

3557
02:16:05,189 --> 02:16:03,599
there's been like i'll give you example

3558
02:16:06,310 --> 02:16:05,199
i was doing something with kevin day one

3559
02:16:08,229 --> 02:16:06,320
time and he said

3560
02:16:09,350 --> 02:16:08,239
you know they would never test it on us

3561
02:16:10,709 --> 02:16:09,360
and that's not true

3562
02:16:12,390 --> 02:16:10,719
they do all kinds of things all you got

3563
02:16:14,149 --> 02:16:12,400
to do is go back to the time

3564
02:16:15,430 --> 02:16:14,159
when they tested nuclear weapons on

3565
02:16:17,109 --> 02:16:15,440
troops do you remember that

3566
02:16:18,629 --> 02:16:17,119
you know when they went out yeah they

3567
02:16:19,830 --> 02:16:18,639
went out and said don't worry about it

3568
02:16:21,510 --> 02:16:19,840
and they blew up nukes and

3569
02:16:23,109 --> 02:16:21,520
and they wanted to see how it affected

3570
02:16:25,030 --> 02:16:23,119
them so yeah they would test this

3571
02:16:26,629 --> 02:16:25,040
equipment and that nimitz tax source was

3572
02:16:28,470 --> 02:16:26,639
perfect because they weren't armed

3573
02:16:32,870 --> 02:16:28,480
and they were training so they were

3574
02:16:36,389 --> 02:16:35,750
you got muted again is that you muting

3575
02:16:38,389 --> 02:16:36,399
or

3576
02:16:41,190 --> 02:16:38,399
no no it just happens all of a sudden

3577
02:16:44,070 --> 02:16:41,200
that is crazy man that just disturbs me

3578
02:16:45,750 --> 02:16:44,080
okay but getting to the nimitz that they

3579
02:16:47,830 --> 02:16:45,760
would they would test this stuff

3580
02:16:49,910 --> 02:16:47,840
and you have to understand the area what

3581
02:16:53,349 --> 02:16:49,920
was down there alessandro

3582
02:16:54,950 --> 02:16:53,359
uh he actually in the first season

3583
02:16:56,950 --> 02:16:54,960
started talking a little bit about it

3584
02:16:58,309 --> 02:16:56,960
they went to break and then he never

3585
02:16:59,990 --> 02:16:58,319
came back and said another word but

3586
02:17:02,150 --> 02:17:00,000
there's all kinds of technology down

3587
02:17:03,110 --> 02:17:02,160
in those islands and stuff that we work

3588
02:17:04,870 --> 02:17:03,120
with and stuff

3589
02:17:06,150 --> 02:17:04,880
but one of the things they said was well

3590
02:17:07,910 --> 02:17:06,160
if we'd have been armed we'd have shot

3591
02:17:09,429 --> 02:17:07,920
at it and what you're saying is true

3592
02:17:12,070 --> 02:17:09,439
the missile returned and blowing up the

3593
02:17:13,429 --> 02:17:12,080
aircraft and i said yeah amazingly huh

3594
02:17:15,190 --> 02:17:13,439
that would be perfect wouldn't it to be

3595
02:17:17,030 --> 02:17:15,200
able to throw a decoy out where

3596
02:17:18,389 --> 02:17:17,040
the enemy would think it was real fired

3597
02:17:20,549 --> 02:17:18,399
on it and it would just come back to

3598
02:17:23,669 --> 02:17:20,559
mama and blow up their own aircraft

3599
02:17:24,790 --> 02:17:23,679
now uh let's let's get back to one one

3600
02:17:26,629 --> 02:17:24,800
point that i find

3601
02:17:28,790 --> 02:17:26,639
probably the most interesting out of all

3602
02:17:32,950 --> 02:17:28,800
of this is

3603
02:17:34,629 --> 02:17:32,960
the moment where uh bustinza i believe

3604
02:17:36,629 --> 02:17:34,639
it's piston so you can correct me if i'm

3605
02:17:40,830 --> 02:17:36,639
wrong but they describe

3606
02:17:43,589 --> 02:17:40,840
this craft uh lighting up

3607
02:17:46,469 --> 02:17:43,599
uh lights moving around on it

3608
02:17:47,589 --> 02:17:46,479
and then it it takes off and splits into

3609
02:17:51,110 --> 02:17:47,599
pieces

3610
02:17:51,509 --> 02:17:51,120
mm-hmm what are we all talks about that

3611
02:17:54,309 --> 02:17:51,519
too

3612
02:17:54,790 --> 02:17:54,319
he said it blew up into different pieces

3613
02:17:56,790 --> 02:17:54,800
and

3614
02:17:58,389 --> 02:17:56,800
that wasn't on the tape but he's talked

3615
02:17:59,270 --> 02:17:58,399
about that when he's talked about the

3616
02:18:01,589 --> 02:17:59,280
incident well

3617
02:18:03,349 --> 02:18:01,599
tell me you know when when we're

3618
02:18:06,950 --> 02:18:03,359
discussing this

3619
02:18:09,509 --> 02:18:06,960
what what is adrian seeing you know it's

3620
02:18:11,509 --> 02:18:09,519
and i can understand some type of

3621
02:18:13,990 --> 02:18:11,519
possibility of uh

3622
02:18:14,870 --> 02:18:14,000
some type of projection holographic

3623
02:18:18,629 --> 02:18:14,880
image

3624
02:18:21,509 --> 02:18:18,639
but but others saw this too as well um

3625
02:18:22,309 --> 02:18:21,519
that sounds very physical to me john

3626
02:18:25,190 --> 02:18:22,319
yeah but it would

3627
02:18:26,950 --> 02:18:25,200
it's not hologram it james tried to hit

3628
02:18:30,070 --> 02:18:26,960
on it with when he was on

3629
02:18:31,990 --> 02:18:30,080
the the actual the phenomenon itself or

3630
02:18:34,469 --> 02:18:32,000
if we've created some or both

3631
02:18:35,990 --> 02:18:34,479
what acts will change will alter it may

3632
02:18:38,629 --> 02:18:36,000
explode into other

3633
02:18:39,030 --> 02:18:38,639
balls of light and energy and everything

3634
02:18:41,750 --> 02:18:39,040
else

3635
02:18:43,509 --> 02:18:41,760
so it's it's in the kind of report it's

3636
02:18:45,190 --> 02:18:43,519
in these documents that are in the book

3637
02:18:46,950 --> 02:18:45,200
explain some of how what happened what

3638
02:18:48,870 --> 02:18:46,960
would go on and

3639
02:18:50,309 --> 02:18:48,880
i mean all you got to do is go back and

3640
02:18:52,950 --> 02:18:50,319
look at the um

3641
02:18:54,469 --> 02:18:52,960
god's helmet and they they put this

3642
02:18:55,429 --> 02:18:54,479
helmet on people and they asked them

3643
02:18:57,349 --> 02:18:55,439
what they saw

3644
02:18:58,709 --> 02:18:57,359
and more people are not thought they saw

3645
02:19:00,469 --> 02:18:58,719
god

3646
02:19:01,750 --> 02:19:00,479
right by the frequencies altering their

3647
02:19:03,349 --> 02:19:01,760
mind so

3648
02:19:05,509 --> 02:19:03,359
you got to understand that's what we

3649
02:19:07,750 --> 02:19:05,519
were exposed to these frequencies

3650
02:19:09,750 --> 02:19:07,760
this this em frequencies and all this

3651
02:19:10,870 --> 02:19:09,760
other stuff so it would affect your mind

3652
02:19:12,309 --> 02:19:10,880
and

3653
02:19:14,389 --> 02:19:12,319
you see what i'm that's what i'm trying

3654
02:19:16,070 --> 02:19:14,399
to get at i'm trying to not only our

3655
02:19:16,309 --> 02:19:16,080
stuff but the phenomenon stuff could do

3656
02:19:18,309 --> 02:19:16,319
it

3657
02:19:19,429 --> 02:19:18,319
right right and i'm trying to get there

3658
02:19:22,629 --> 02:19:19,439
i i keep

3659
02:19:25,669 --> 02:19:22,639
going back to e.t uh uh uh

3660
02:19:28,870 --> 02:19:25,679
more times than not but there is

3661
02:19:31,669 --> 02:19:28,880
uh the reference from uh

3662
02:19:32,389 --> 02:19:31,679
a few and and i think adrian alludes to

3663
02:19:35,429 --> 02:19:32,399
this

3664
02:19:36,549 --> 02:19:35,439
that he thinks he's there are reports of

3665
02:19:40,870 --> 02:19:36,559
a figure

3666
02:19:42,709 --> 02:19:40,880
or two um outside of the craft

3667
02:19:45,030 --> 02:19:42,719
uh yeah that was brought up i can't

3668
02:19:48,230 --> 02:19:45,040
remember who brought that up 110

3669
02:19:50,309 --> 02:19:48,240
but they did see but it they actually

3670
02:19:51,670 --> 02:19:50,319
some of the people said and boss said on

3671
02:19:53,670 --> 02:19:51,680
the cnn report

3672
02:19:56,309 --> 02:19:53,680
that the blue light had a life form in

3673
02:19:57,510 --> 02:19:56,319
it it looked like the blue lights were

3674
02:19:59,910 --> 02:19:57,520
the intelligent

3675
02:20:00,870 --> 02:19:59,920
being or whatever and had light form in

3676
02:20:03,190 --> 02:20:00,880
it and

3677
02:20:04,230 --> 02:20:03,200
you didn't see any of that i saw the

3678
02:20:07,429 --> 02:20:04,240
blue lights

3679
02:20:08,950 --> 02:20:07,439
but when the hypnosis that i did in 88

3680
02:20:10,950 --> 02:20:08,960
this is way before

3681
02:20:12,309 --> 02:20:10,960
all the craziness today and all the

3682
02:20:14,389 --> 02:20:12,319
other stuff that

3683
02:20:16,070 --> 02:20:14,399
it does come out that that the blue

3684
02:20:16,550 --> 02:20:16,080
lights were the life form or whatever it

3685
02:20:18,870 --> 02:20:16,560
was

3686
02:20:20,309 --> 02:20:18,880
now let's uh let's actually close on

3687
02:20:23,349 --> 02:20:20,319
that i'm glad that we've

3688
02:20:26,389 --> 02:20:23,359
come full circle um you did have

3689
02:20:29,830 --> 02:20:26,399
hypnosis and you had regression uh

3690
02:20:31,990 --> 02:20:29,840
therapy that was done um how much can we

3691
02:20:33,270 --> 02:20:32,000
depend on that how much do you depend on

3692
02:20:36,230 --> 02:20:33,280
that

3693
02:20:37,110 --> 02:20:36,240
well the thing was is when it happened

3694
02:20:38,950 --> 02:20:37,120
in 88

3695
02:20:41,270 --> 02:20:38,960
there was a there's a whole story behind

3696
02:20:42,790 --> 02:20:41,280
it and these people that were doing it

3697
02:20:45,030 --> 02:20:42,800
involved in this were the

3698
02:20:45,830 --> 02:20:45,040
old guard that were looking at

3699
02:20:48,070 --> 02:20:45,840
technology

3700
02:20:50,230 --> 02:20:48,080
and they were like working with hbo

3701
02:20:51,910 --> 02:20:50,240
which is now today's history

3702
02:20:54,150 --> 02:20:51,920
and you had different people doing

3703
02:20:57,270 --> 02:20:54,160
investigations and working on all this

3704
02:20:58,150 --> 02:20:57,280
and they were looking at me and what

3705
02:21:01,190 --> 02:20:58,160
happened to me

3706
02:21:01,670 --> 02:21:01,200
and they uh put me under hypnosis and

3707
02:21:04,389 --> 02:21:01,680
then

3708
02:21:06,230 --> 02:21:04,399
the tape was done and it was given to

3709
02:21:07,190 --> 02:21:06,240
some people in science because i found

3710
02:21:09,990 --> 02:21:07,200
out later some of them

3711
02:21:11,349 --> 02:21:10,000
have gotten it and they looked at it and

3712
02:21:13,990 --> 02:21:11,359
the bottom line is

3713
02:21:14,950 --> 02:21:14,000
is that what i said in 88 was

3714
02:21:16,870 --> 02:21:14,960
unbelievable

3715
02:21:18,150 --> 02:21:16,880
but a lot of what i said has actually

3716
02:21:21,990 --> 02:21:18,160
happened since

3717
02:21:25,190 --> 02:21:22,000
oh well now how much do you trust

3718
02:21:26,230 --> 02:21:25,200
uh what you said under hypnosis yeah i

3719
02:21:29,990 --> 02:21:26,240
know you've gone back and you've

3720
02:21:34,230 --> 02:21:32,790
how much how much of it can you trust

3721
02:21:36,710 --> 02:21:34,240
all i know jimmy is

3722
02:21:38,070 --> 02:21:36,720
so much of what was talked about in 88

3723
02:21:40,389 --> 02:21:38,080
was like what

3724
02:21:41,590 --> 02:21:40,399
and then now it's all this stuff has

3725
02:21:44,230 --> 02:21:41,600
been coming out that

3726
02:21:45,750 --> 02:21:44,240
it backs up to hypnosis so you tell me i

3727
02:21:47,510 --> 02:21:45,760
i don't know i

3728
02:21:49,510 --> 02:21:47,520
i've not released the majority of the

3729
02:21:51,990 --> 02:21:49,520
hypnosis table well i there's a 10

3730
02:21:53,990 --> 02:21:52,000
minute clip that linda did at a

3731
02:21:57,270 --> 02:21:54,000
conference that's online

3732
02:21:57,990 --> 02:21:57,280
and um but it's just it's just alarming

3733
02:21:59,830 --> 02:21:58,000
to me

3734
02:22:01,670 --> 02:21:59,840
that stuff that you looked at just like

3735
02:22:03,910 --> 02:22:01,680
when the incident happened to us

3736
02:22:05,030 --> 02:22:03,920
like there's no way it could be us you

3737
02:22:06,309 --> 02:22:05,040
know our stuff

3738
02:22:07,750 --> 02:22:06,319
and then you find out later there's a

3739
02:22:08,150 --> 02:22:07,760
lot of stuff we were working on at the

3740
02:22:10,950 --> 02:22:08,160
time

3741
02:22:12,630 --> 02:22:10,960
that we put in the book but that that

3742
02:22:13,429 --> 02:22:12,640
the stuff that was being described in my

3743
02:22:16,389 --> 02:22:13,439
hypnosis

3744
02:22:17,429 --> 02:22:16,399
is actually coming to fruition with

3745
02:22:19,830 --> 02:22:17,439
different things that are being

3746
02:22:22,790 --> 02:22:19,840
disclosed coming out and everything else

3747
02:22:23,429 --> 02:22:22,800
to include the energy light form itself

3748
02:22:25,429 --> 02:22:23,439
and

3749
02:22:27,190 --> 02:22:25,439
the interesting thing was they're now

3750
02:22:29,190 --> 02:22:27,200
getting more and more into

3751
02:22:31,110 --> 02:22:29,200
this where that's what we evolved to is

3752
02:22:33,270 --> 02:22:31,120
the energy life form

3753
02:22:35,670 --> 02:22:33,280
now we eventually leave our bodies and

3754
02:22:37,670 --> 02:22:35,680
we no longer need our bodies anymore

3755
02:22:39,190 --> 02:22:37,680
and consciousness i don't want to

3756
02:22:42,309 --> 02:22:39,200
suggest anything like

3757
02:22:46,150 --> 02:22:42,319
uh what could possibly go down in

3758
02:22:49,270 --> 02:22:46,160
in a regression session but do you

3759
02:22:53,030 --> 02:22:49,280
feel that sometimes

3760
02:22:55,349 --> 02:22:53,040
the therapist can ask leading questions

3761
02:22:56,790 --> 02:22:55,359
or or push you in a direction to fit

3762
02:22:58,150 --> 02:22:56,800
their agenda

3763
02:23:00,150 --> 02:22:58,160
they could try and that was the

3764
02:23:02,309 --> 02:23:00,160
interesting thing the first one in 88

3765
02:23:04,630 --> 02:23:02,319
the guy was trying and i fought him

3766
02:23:06,870 --> 02:23:04,640
i basically told him he was an idiot i

3767
02:23:08,150 --> 02:23:06,880
did it basically came out that he had no

3768
02:23:09,590 --> 02:23:08,160
idea what he was talking about

3769
02:23:11,590 --> 02:23:09,600
and everything else it was really

3770
02:23:15,190 --> 02:23:11,600
strange jimmy it was like i was talking

3771
02:23:20,150 --> 02:23:17,670
what makes you say that i don't know

3772
02:23:23,590 --> 02:23:20,160
john if i could do a regression

3773
02:23:25,349 --> 02:23:23,600
um and and i feel that i i i don't think

3774
02:23:27,510 --> 02:23:25,359
i could be regressed

3775
02:23:29,429 --> 02:23:27,520
right that's my own opinion did you go

3776
02:23:29,750 --> 02:23:29,439
into that with that mentality too as

3777
02:23:32,309 --> 02:23:29,760
well

3778
02:23:33,349 --> 02:23:32,319
i wouldn't what the heck's gonna happen

3779
02:23:35,110 --> 02:23:33,359
and i

3780
02:23:36,230 --> 02:23:35,120
i had no clue that what happened would

3781
02:23:37,110 --> 02:23:36,240
happen i didn't think it would go

3782
02:23:39,670 --> 02:23:37,120
anywhere to what

3783
02:23:40,710 --> 02:23:39,680
did come out and then i tried to do it

3784
02:23:43,590 --> 02:23:40,720
again later

3785
02:23:45,590 --> 02:23:43,600
with another lady in arizona and

3786
02:23:47,190 --> 02:23:45,600
something that blocked i was blocked and

3787
02:23:48,870 --> 02:23:47,200
because she got me to a certain point i

3788
02:23:49,670 --> 02:23:48,880
couldn't go any further anymore but the

3789
02:23:51,750 --> 02:23:49,680
first time

3790
02:23:53,110 --> 02:23:51,760
i was able to go into more detail than i

3791
02:23:55,590 --> 02:23:53,120
could the second time

3792
02:23:56,309 --> 02:23:55,600
but again the the whole thing with the

3793
02:23:59,030 --> 02:23:56,319
hypnosis

3794
02:23:59,990 --> 02:23:59,040
is this jimmy if what came out was none

3795
02:24:02,469 --> 02:24:00,000
of it ever happened

3796
02:24:03,990 --> 02:24:02,479
or came true i've just i had to just

3797
02:24:06,150 --> 02:24:04,000
flush it down the toilet but

3798
02:24:07,830 --> 02:24:06,160
you just can't make this stuff up just

3799
02:24:08,790 --> 02:24:07,840
it's just like every time you think it's

3800
02:24:10,950 --> 02:24:08,800
over it's not

3801
02:24:13,110 --> 02:24:10,960
you know it's just like when i went to

3802
02:24:13,990 --> 02:24:13,120
dc i was hoping to get my settlement and

3803
02:24:16,790 --> 02:24:14,000
then the cia

3804
02:24:18,469 --> 02:24:16,800
guy shows up you know green and then i

3805
02:24:20,950 --> 02:24:18,479
get to meet with these scientists

3806
02:24:22,469 --> 02:24:20,960
and i get briefed into some things some

3807
02:24:24,389 --> 02:24:22,479
papers and stuff that i didn't even know

3808
02:24:26,230 --> 02:24:24,399
were classified at the time and

3809
02:24:28,070 --> 02:24:26,240
then all this stuff happens afterwards

3810
02:24:31,110 --> 02:24:28,080
with them lying about my

3811
02:24:31,990 --> 02:24:31,120
when i was in and trying to say i wasn't

3812
02:24:33,590 --> 02:24:32,000
and denying me

3813
02:24:35,030 --> 02:24:33,600
stuff and then the just department of

3814
02:24:38,630 --> 02:24:35,040
justice was involved

3815
02:24:40,710 --> 02:24:38,640
it just never ends and you just you just

3816
02:24:41,750 --> 02:24:40,720
don't have an ending to the book you

3817
02:24:44,790 --> 02:24:41,760
know what i mean

3818
02:24:46,870 --> 02:24:44,800
and what about uh that moment of you uh

3819
02:24:49,670 --> 02:24:46,880
disappearing in the orange fog with

3820
02:24:50,389 --> 02:24:49,680
adrian uh was anything revealed in the

3821
02:24:52,790 --> 02:24:50,399
regression

3822
02:24:53,990 --> 02:24:52,800
uh therapy about that we didn't get to

3823
02:24:55,830 --> 02:24:54,000
that point and that's

3824
02:24:57,429 --> 02:24:55,840
that was the frustrating part it was all

3825
02:24:59,349 --> 02:24:57,439
the other stuff that came up prior to

3826
02:25:01,110 --> 02:24:59,359
that and then i just shut down

3827
02:25:03,110 --> 02:25:01,120
and then the next time when they were

3828
02:25:04,630 --> 02:25:03,120
trying to go further i just got to a

3829
02:25:06,309 --> 02:25:04,640
point and it just stopped me

3830
02:25:08,230 --> 02:25:06,319
are you boom i'm not going any further

3831
02:25:10,550 --> 02:25:08,240
with anything are you interested in

3832
02:25:13,590 --> 02:25:10,560
trying to revisit that moment

3833
02:25:14,230 --> 02:25:13,600
uh no because right now i would say my

3834
02:25:16,550 --> 02:25:14,240
mind's

3835
02:25:17,910 --> 02:25:16,560
been you know i i would say if it was

3836
02:25:19,590 --> 02:25:17,920
done it would have to be with the

3837
02:25:22,790 --> 02:25:19,600
top-notch

3838
02:25:24,710 --> 02:25:22,800
person and my mind's been corrupted now

3839
02:25:26,309 --> 02:25:24,720
the first time it wasn't do you

3840
02:25:28,469 --> 02:25:26,319
understand what i mean

3841
02:25:30,070 --> 02:25:28,479
there was no internet and that kind of

3842
02:25:31,750 --> 02:25:30,080
stuff i didn't read the books i didn't

3843
02:25:33,750 --> 02:25:31,760
know that it all flowed out

3844
02:25:35,429 --> 02:25:33,760
then the next time it happened you know

3845
02:25:36,870 --> 02:25:35,439
i was exposed to some of this but it

3846
02:25:39,910 --> 02:25:36,880
just wouldn't let me go

3847
02:25:41,349 --> 02:25:39,920
so i would question a lot anything i

3848
02:25:43,349 --> 02:25:41,359
said now

3849
02:25:45,910 --> 02:25:43,359
thank you so much do you think your

3850
02:25:48,950 --> 02:25:45,920
injuries happened at that moment

3851
02:25:49,670 --> 02:25:48,960
yeah i think it happened um probably on

3852
02:25:51,110 --> 02:25:49,680
night three

3853
02:25:53,429 --> 02:25:51,120
i'm not saying something didn't happen

3854
02:25:55,510 --> 02:25:53,439
on night one but night three for sure

3855
02:25:57,429 --> 02:25:55,520
what adrian remember seeing happen to me

3856
02:25:59,990 --> 02:25:57,439
is probably and that's why they

3857
02:26:00,469 --> 02:26:00,000
they have an interest in me because of

3858
02:26:02,950 --> 02:26:00,479
how

3859
02:26:05,429 --> 02:26:02,960
if i really did disappear and stuff what

3860
02:26:05,990 --> 02:26:05,439
did how did it affect me my body my dna

3861
02:26:09,750 --> 02:26:06,000
and everything

3862
02:26:12,630 --> 02:26:09,760
else now how are you today man

3863
02:26:13,750 --> 02:26:12,640
both physically uh are things much

3864
02:26:17,349 --> 02:26:13,760
better

3865
02:26:19,990 --> 02:26:17,359
um you know it goes up and down i um

3866
02:26:20,710 --> 02:26:20,000
i i you know i struggled and i got the

3867
02:26:22,950 --> 02:26:20,720
surgery

3868
02:26:24,309 --> 02:26:22,960
and then everything and i got better for

3869
02:26:26,630 --> 02:26:24,319
a while and then

3870
02:26:27,670 --> 02:26:26,640
you know it comes and goes do you know

3871
02:26:29,670 --> 02:26:27,680
what i mean i feel

3872
02:26:31,510 --> 02:26:29,680
good some days and some days i don't i'm

3873
02:26:33,190 --> 02:26:31,520
more dragged but that could just be

3874
02:26:35,590 --> 02:26:33,200
because i'm getting older too you know

3875
02:26:38,230 --> 02:26:35,600
so

3876
02:26:38,710 --> 02:26:38,240
and uh congratulations on the book

3877
02:26:42,550 --> 02:26:38,720
though

3878
02:26:45,510 --> 02:26:42,560
and do you feel uh a sense of relief

3879
02:26:46,150 --> 02:26:45,520
uh a little uh pressure being taken off

3880
02:26:49,110 --> 02:26:46,160
well i

3881
02:26:49,510 --> 02:26:49,120
what i do feel is i got my story out as

3882
02:26:52,710 --> 02:26:49,520
it's

3883
02:26:54,630 --> 02:26:52,720
unfolded and i put together stuff that

3884
02:26:55,750 --> 02:26:54,640
probably was involved and affected with

3885
02:26:58,150 --> 02:26:55,760
the technology

3886
02:27:00,389 --> 02:26:58,160
never mind a report of the area by when

3887
02:27:02,309 --> 02:27:00,399
and then the foia and a lot of stuff

3888
02:27:03,510 --> 02:27:02,319
so a lot of stuff's out there and what

3889
02:27:05,830 --> 02:27:03,520
i'm hoping is

3890
02:27:07,670 --> 02:27:05,840
again maybe some people come forward

3891
02:27:09,670 --> 02:27:07,680
that'll try to put some more pieces

3892
02:27:11,030 --> 02:27:09,680
together with the technology and stuff

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02:27:12,950 --> 02:27:11,040
that's what i'm hoping i don't know if

3894
02:27:15,190 --> 02:27:12,960
it'll happen or not but but

3895
02:27:16,230 --> 02:27:15,200
if not at least my story's out there

3896
02:27:18,309 --> 02:27:16,240
from beginning and

3897
02:27:19,429 --> 02:27:18,319
at least to this point who knows what's

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02:27:21,110 --> 02:27:19,439
going to happen next

3899
02:27:22,710 --> 02:27:21,120
according to the stars there's going to

3900
02:27:23,990 --> 02:27:22,720
be hearings and all kinds of stuff so

3901
02:27:25,750 --> 02:27:24,000
we'll see what happens yeah we'll see

3902
02:27:28,830 --> 02:27:25,760
what happens in 2021

3903
02:27:30,389 --> 02:27:28,840
are are you even you right are are you

3904
02:27:35,349 --> 02:27:30,399
surprised uh

3905
02:27:38,070 --> 02:27:35,359
that 40 years have passed it's 40 years

3906
02:27:38,950 --> 02:27:38,080
right 40 years pretty incredible isn't

3907
02:27:41,990 --> 02:27:38,960
it

3908
02:27:45,030 --> 02:27:42,000
like

3909
02:27:47,510 --> 02:27:45,040
you can't wow i'm 60 now wow you know um

3910
02:27:48,550 --> 02:27:47,520
yeah it is it's pretty amazing and you

3911
02:27:50,389 --> 02:27:48,560
know right now

3912
02:27:51,590 --> 02:27:50,399
everybody pretty much was involved is

3913
02:27:53,590 --> 02:27:51,600
still around um

3914
02:27:55,510 --> 02:27:53,600
i don't know some of the guys like ball

3915
02:27:56,950 --> 02:27:55,520
and stuff they i'd heard they'd had some

3916
02:27:58,389 --> 02:27:56,960
health issues a few years before and

3917
02:27:59,670 --> 02:27:58,399
unfortunately general williams and

3918
02:28:01,510 --> 02:27:59,680
gabriel died

3919
02:28:03,429 --> 02:28:01,520
but but yeah a lot of us are still

3920
02:28:05,510 --> 02:28:03,439
around and um

3921
02:28:07,030 --> 02:28:05,520
i i think jimmy i know a long time ago

3922
02:28:09,670 --> 02:28:07,040
you wanted to get us all together

3923
02:28:10,230 --> 02:28:09,680
and you know i just don't think it'll

3924
02:28:13,190 --> 02:28:10,240
happen

3925
02:28:15,349 --> 02:28:13,200
but it would be nice that if people

3926
02:28:16,230 --> 02:28:15,359
would start to own some of what really

3927
02:28:18,790 --> 02:28:16,240
took place

3928
02:28:19,270 --> 02:28:18,800
you know what happened and what took

3929
02:28:21,990 --> 02:28:19,280
place

3930
02:28:23,510 --> 02:28:22,000
in this book and well i'm curious to see

3931
02:28:26,550 --> 02:28:23,520
what colonel hall thinks about it

3932
02:28:28,070 --> 02:28:26,560
um as far as you know he he was

3933
02:28:29,990 --> 02:28:28,080
impressed by wins report

3934
02:28:31,830 --> 02:28:30,000
and some other stuff but i'd be curious

3935
02:28:33,510 --> 02:28:31,840
to see what his what his takes going to

3936
02:28:34,469 --> 02:28:33,520
be on this and if he'll open up a little

3937
02:28:37,429 --> 02:28:34,479
bit more

3938
02:28:38,550 --> 02:28:37,439
to what went on he may he may not but

3939
02:28:41,590 --> 02:28:38,560
there's stuff there

3940
02:28:43,510 --> 02:28:41,600
that should be looked at closer and not

3941
02:28:45,270 --> 02:28:43,520
only for the reason of our event but

3942
02:28:46,630 --> 02:28:45,280
where it's evolved to today and what

3943
02:28:47,030 --> 02:28:46,640
we're seeing and what's going on right

3944
02:28:50,230 --> 02:28:47,040
now

3945
02:28:52,710 --> 02:28:50,240
yeah we were we were so close weren't we

3946
02:28:54,870 --> 02:28:52,720
uh i worked so hard on that for for

3947
02:28:57,030 --> 02:28:54,880
about a month and

3948
02:28:58,150 --> 02:28:57,040
we were we were right there we were

3949
02:29:01,349 --> 02:28:58,160
right at the edge i

3950
02:29:02,790 --> 02:29:01,359
we almost pulled that off and it's not

3951
02:29:03,750 --> 02:29:02,800
to say that we still can't do it in the

3952
02:29:06,070 --> 02:29:03,760
future

3953
02:29:07,510 --> 02:29:06,080
but uh getting everybody together

3954
02:29:09,349 --> 02:29:07,520
sitting down

3955
02:29:11,030 --> 02:29:09,359
and and discussing this i think it's

3956
02:29:14,389 --> 02:29:11,040
it's very important and i

3957
02:29:17,590 --> 02:29:14,399
keep stressing rendell shim is

3958
02:29:20,309 --> 02:29:17,600
is now it's modern this is living color

3959
02:29:23,590 --> 02:29:20,319
this isn't some sepia tone

3960
02:29:26,469 --> 02:29:23,600
western photograph from 1870 right

3961
02:29:28,070 --> 02:29:26,479
this is this is here and now and it's

3962
02:29:30,469 --> 02:29:28,080
just the most important case

3963
02:29:31,750 --> 02:29:30,479
in the history of ufology and and thank

3964
02:29:33,190 --> 02:29:31,760
you for everything john

3965
02:29:35,110 --> 02:29:33,200
and thanks for the forward jimmy and

3966
02:29:37,030 --> 02:29:35,120
thanks for having us on and

3967
02:29:38,389 --> 02:29:37,040
have a great holidays and let's see what

3968
02:29:40,630 --> 02:29:38,399
happens in 2021

3969
02:29:42,469 --> 02:29:40,640
man it's ten days to christmas man go

3970
02:29:42,790 --> 02:29:42,479
knock one out thank you so much john all

3971
02:29:44,070 --> 02:29:42,800
right

3972
02:29:46,870 --> 02:29:44,080
thanks jimmy have a good night you're

3973
02:29:47,270 --> 02:29:46,880
the best yeah you too john thank you so

3974
02:29:50,389 --> 02:29:47,280
much

3975
02:29:52,070 --> 02:29:50,399
john burroughs and i am going to take a

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quick break i am going to

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i said it before i'll say it again the

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last interview

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i've done with john burroughs is always

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the best one i'm your host jimmy church

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jimmy church what a great conversation

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and like i've said every single time i

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have had john on the air

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that is the best interview that i've

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ever done with him

4109
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and we did it again tonight thank you

4110
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thank you john and thank you james world

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uh for coming in from england

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let's go to the phones hi you're live on

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fade to black who's calling

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you're live hey danny yes hey jimmy this

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is

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are you

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oh i'm doing all right it worked yeah

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right on

4119
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uh what'd you think well

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i didn't catch all the show so but i

4121
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heard a story before

4122
02:36:22,630 --> 02:36:21,439
well i had something it was just didn't

4123
02:36:23,270 --> 02:36:22,640
have anything to do with tonight's show

4124
02:36:27,429 --> 02:36:23,280
it was about

4125
02:36:31,110 --> 02:36:27,439
um starling satellites and the um

4126
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kovalev vaccines i wish this was a quick

4127
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conspiracy because

4128
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this would be uh my my topic would be a

4129
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good one for that one

4130
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the starlink satellites are connected to

4131
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covid

4132
02:36:44,950 --> 02:36:44,319
well i was wondering if they um since

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this um

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they they're the one vaccine has with

4135
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rna in it

4136
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i was wondering if they people get that

4137
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injection

4138
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when they um elon's been talking about

4139
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putting startling all around the globe

4140
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they put a nanoparticle in it and it's

4141
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meant to um

4142
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to change the our dna possibly what you

4143
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think about that

4144
02:37:15,510 --> 02:37:12,720
oh man that's that's uh that's

4145
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i don't even have an answer for that i

4146
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would have to uh

4147
02:37:20,790 --> 02:37:18,880
i'd really have to think about that for

4148
02:37:23,429 --> 02:37:20,800
a minute

4149
02:37:24,469 --> 02:37:23,439
right well i was also thinking about the

4150
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um

4151
02:37:31,110 --> 02:37:27,920
you know this big ufo thing

4152
02:37:31,750 --> 02:37:31,120
and what if they're trying to inoculate

4153
02:37:34,870 --> 02:37:31,760
us

4154
02:37:37,670 --> 02:37:34,880
so we'd either want to infect them or

4155
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maybe they won't infect us yeah yeah

4156
02:37:40,070 --> 02:37:38,720
there's been a

4157
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and and thank you for the phone call

4158
02:37:42,389 --> 02:37:41,680
mike you got some noise going on in the

4159
02:37:46,150 --> 02:37:42,399
background

4160
02:37:49,190 --> 02:37:46,160
so uh but uh

4161
02:37:52,230 --> 02:37:49,200
there has been chatter about that

4162
02:37:52,950 --> 02:37:52,240
uh for many many years inside of the ufo

4163
02:37:56,469 --> 02:37:52,960
community

4164
02:37:59,750 --> 02:37:56,479
about uh somehow

4165
02:38:00,950 --> 02:37:59,760
some civilizations out there alien uh

4166
02:38:04,309 --> 02:38:00,960
would be prepping

4167
02:38:08,710 --> 02:38:04,319
this planet for them

4168
02:38:10,469 --> 02:38:08,720
and for their genealogy and their makeup

4169
02:38:12,389 --> 02:38:10,479
um i've had a few guests that have

4170
02:38:13,750 --> 02:38:12,399
talked about that over the years it's a

4171
02:38:16,790 --> 02:38:13,760
frightening thought

4172
02:38:20,630 --> 02:38:16,800
right changing the atmosphere changing

4173
02:38:22,469 --> 02:38:20,640
oxygen and nitrogen levels of and

4174
02:38:24,870 --> 02:38:22,479
and and moving things around so they

4175
02:38:27,110 --> 02:38:24,880
could safely occupy this planet

4176
02:38:28,070 --> 02:38:27,120
and they could replicate their own home

4177
02:38:31,750 --> 02:38:28,080
planet here

4178
02:38:34,790 --> 02:38:31,760
that's a that's that's a scary scary

4179
02:38:37,830 --> 02:38:34,800
thought and i would not want to

4180
02:38:39,110 --> 02:38:37,840
uh think that that could be something

4181
02:38:41,510 --> 02:38:39,120
that would be going on

4182
02:38:42,870 --> 02:38:41,520
as far as uh and and thank you for the

4183
02:38:45,190 --> 02:38:42,880
phone call big mike and

4184
02:38:46,469 --> 02:38:45,200
and my best to everybody out there in

4185
02:38:49,420 --> 02:38:46,479
indianapolis

4186
02:38:50,630 --> 02:38:49,430
um but the uh

4187
02:38:54,710 --> 02:38:50,640
[Music]

4188
02:38:56,950 --> 02:38:54,720
the part about starlink

4189
02:38:57,750 --> 02:38:56,960
i i i'm gonna have to think about that

4190
02:39:01,990 --> 02:38:57,760
for a second

4191
02:39:05,429 --> 02:39:02,000
i'm not too sure a global conspiracy

4192
02:39:08,469 --> 02:39:05,439
like that um just like any

4193
02:39:09,910 --> 02:39:08,479
when we're talking about and and people

4194
02:39:11,670 --> 02:39:09,920
really need to listen to what i have to

4195
02:39:15,750 --> 02:39:11,680
say

4196
02:39:19,030 --> 02:39:15,760
when we are talking about huge

4197
02:39:22,830 --> 02:39:19,040
conspiracies where there are 10

4198
02:39:25,510 --> 02:39:22,840
20 30 40 50 000 people

4199
02:39:28,150 --> 02:39:25,520
involved uh and you're talking about

4200
02:39:31,110 --> 02:39:28,160
something that huge and that big

4201
02:39:32,630 --> 02:39:31,120
something would be leaked there would

4202
02:39:34,230 --> 02:39:32,640
have to be meetings there would have to

4203
02:39:36,070 --> 02:39:34,240
be emails there would have to be

4204
02:39:39,510 --> 02:39:36,080
conversations there would have to be

4205
02:39:42,070 --> 02:39:39,520
and and something would be uh

4206
02:39:43,110 --> 02:39:42,080
leaked uh you just couldn't keep

4207
02:39:46,950 --> 02:39:43,120
something like that

4208
02:39:49,910 --> 02:39:46,960
something that big that hidden

4209
02:39:50,790 --> 02:39:49,920
uh oh man there's just too many

4210
02:39:53,830 --> 02:39:50,800
employees

4211
02:39:56,950 --> 02:39:53,840
involved too many engineers involved uh

4212
02:39:58,630 --> 02:39:56,960
with starlink and spacex that

4213
02:39:59,990 --> 02:39:58,640
that kind of stuff would be on the down

4214
02:40:00,870 --> 02:40:00,000
low and i'm not saying it couldn't

4215
02:40:04,070 --> 02:40:00,880
happen

4216
02:40:07,110 --> 02:40:04,080
is possible

4217
02:40:09,510 --> 02:40:07,120
but having something like that that

4218
02:40:10,790 --> 02:40:09,520
huge i don't know i don't know and

4219
02:40:13,269 --> 02:40:10,800
that's getting into some

4220
02:40:14,630 --> 02:40:13,279
uh technology that i don't even think

4221
02:40:16,309 --> 02:40:14,640
exists but

4222
02:40:18,150 --> 02:40:16,319
and then again i'll say it anything is

4223
02:40:20,870 --> 02:40:18,160
possible but if you have a

4224
02:40:21,590 --> 02:40:20,880
a conspiracy that big that widespread

4225
02:40:24,389 --> 02:40:21,600
you're going to have

4226
02:40:25,830 --> 02:40:24,399
to have some kind of proof let's go back

4227
02:40:28,230 --> 02:40:25,840
to the phones hi you're live on fade to

4228
02:40:29,830 --> 02:40:28,240
black who's calling

4229
02:40:31,510 --> 02:40:29,840
hey jimmy it's max again and i

4230
02:40:33,349 --> 02:40:31,520
appreciate you

4231
02:40:34,790 --> 02:40:33,359
giving me a little uh chill pill last

4232
02:40:37,030 --> 02:40:34,800
last week

4233
02:40:38,469 --> 02:40:37,040
but uh based on what you just based on

4234
02:40:40,950 --> 02:40:38,479
what you just said

4235
02:40:42,790 --> 02:40:40,960
there is a bunch of uh leaks coming out

4236
02:40:44,070 --> 02:40:42,800
and it's being thrown out there all over

4237
02:40:46,790 --> 02:40:44,080
the place on that uh

4238
02:40:48,150 --> 02:40:46,800
parlor right now a little bit more on

4239
02:40:49,110 --> 02:40:48,160
twitter here and there kind of coming

4240
02:40:51,429 --> 02:40:49,120
coming through the

4241
02:40:52,309 --> 02:40:51,439
grains but it's kind of getting filtered

4242
02:40:54,469 --> 02:40:52,319
um

4243
02:40:56,150 --> 02:40:54,479
and the biggest thing and the most

4244
02:40:56,710 --> 02:40:56,160
important thing i have to say right now

4245
02:41:00,630 --> 02:40:56,720
since

4246
02:41:04,230 --> 02:41:00,640
you know we have the the fader knots on

4247
02:41:07,670 --> 02:41:04,240
um it's super important right now um

4248
02:41:09,830 --> 02:41:07,680
before they log off any pc or or

4249
02:41:11,429 --> 02:41:09,840
even their like macbook or anything

4250
02:41:13,830 --> 02:41:11,439
tonight make sure that

4251
02:41:15,349 --> 02:41:13,840
they disable their wi-fi connections or

4252
02:41:17,590 --> 02:41:15,359
unplug from their ethernet

4253
02:41:18,550 --> 02:41:17,600
all right there's a big hack going on

4254
02:41:19,830 --> 02:41:18,560
there's been a couple of them in the

4255
02:41:21,910 --> 02:41:19,840
last few days

4256
02:41:23,429 --> 02:41:21,920
and they need to make sure they need to

4257
02:41:24,950 --> 02:41:23,439
make super sure

4258
02:41:26,950 --> 02:41:24,960
that they let everything boot back up

4259
02:41:28,870 --> 02:41:26,960
before they re reconnect

4260
02:41:30,550 --> 02:41:28,880
because there's some automatic updates

4261
02:41:31,190 --> 02:41:30,560
that got pushed even if you have your

4262
02:41:34,710 --> 02:41:31,200
updates

4263
02:41:36,469 --> 02:41:34,720
where you you can pick them yourself uh

4264
02:41:37,910 --> 02:41:36,479
they're still they circumvented that

4265
02:41:40,309 --> 02:41:37,920
stuff somehow

4266
02:41:41,670 --> 02:41:40,319
and i've had three different hard drives

4267
02:41:43,030 --> 02:41:41,680
out of three different computers i've

4268
02:41:45,750 --> 02:41:43,040
had to throw in just to be

4269
02:41:47,190 --> 02:41:45,760
up online so make sure they got their

4270
02:41:49,349 --> 02:41:47,200
vpn

4271
02:41:50,630 --> 02:41:49,359
up and then plug in or you know right

4272
02:41:51,269 --> 02:41:50,640
there the first thing they do when they

4273
02:41:54,550 --> 02:41:51,279
when they plug

4274
02:41:57,510 --> 02:41:54,560
in but there is some concerted efforts

4275
02:41:58,150 --> 02:41:57,520
going on right now man well max do you

4276
02:42:01,190 --> 02:41:58,160
remember

4277
02:42:04,710 --> 02:42:01,200
cambridge analytica

4278
02:42:08,550 --> 02:42:04,720
yep yep okay and do you remember the

4279
02:42:09,269 --> 02:42:08,560
outrage uh were you angry when you found

4280
02:42:12,790 --> 02:42:09,279
out that

4281
02:42:15,990 --> 02:42:12,800
cambridge analytica was uh acquiring

4282
02:42:17,910 --> 02:42:16,000
your data through facebook

4283
02:42:19,269 --> 02:42:17,920
oh yeah that was that was huge it was

4284
02:42:22,630 --> 02:42:19,279
huge right and

4285
02:42:26,230 --> 02:42:22,640
cambridge analytica was using that

4286
02:42:29,830 --> 02:42:26,240
data to manipulate uh

4287
02:42:33,110 --> 02:42:29,840
different political environments with uh

4288
02:42:33,830 --> 02:42:33,120
a couple of hundred elections around the

4289
02:42:38,389 --> 02:42:33,840
world

4290
02:42:40,550 --> 02:42:38,399
and uh you know 60 different countries

4291
02:42:41,510 --> 02:42:40,560
around the world of political uh

4292
02:42:44,710 --> 02:42:41,520
situations

4293
02:42:46,150 --> 02:42:44,720
and and how outraged we were about

4294
02:42:50,309 --> 02:42:46,160
cambridge analytica

4295
02:42:52,469 --> 02:42:50,319
and their nefarious use of your data

4296
02:42:54,950 --> 02:42:52,479
i i think i remember even you put a post

4297
02:42:57,510 --> 02:42:54,960
up saying that they built that platform

4298
02:42:58,150 --> 02:42:57,520
and uh you know i was hesitant at first

4299
02:43:00,630 --> 02:42:58,160
to use

4300
02:43:01,429 --> 02:43:00,640
use it uh well it doesn't mean you know

4301
02:43:07,830 --> 02:43:01,439
doesn't it

4302
02:43:09,030 --> 02:43:07,840
you in the slightest that cambridge

4303
02:43:16,150 --> 02:43:09,040
analytica

4304
02:43:18,710 --> 02:43:16,160
founded parlor um i do

4305
02:43:19,349 --> 02:43:18,720
i do see some some parallels there but i

4306
02:43:21,990 --> 02:43:19,359
think

4307
02:43:22,630 --> 02:43:22,000
the mass awakening of of everybody that

4308
02:43:25,030 --> 02:43:22,640
was

4309
02:43:25,750 --> 02:43:25,040
allowed to happen as a result is the

4310
02:43:28,550 --> 02:43:25,760
main

4311
02:43:28,870 --> 02:43:28,560
plus out of the situation and i don't

4312
02:43:32,309 --> 02:43:28,880
think

4313
02:43:34,830 --> 02:43:32,319
everybody but but that mass awakening

4314
02:43:36,950 --> 02:43:34,840
that you're talking about is

4315
02:43:39,910 --> 02:43:36,960
manipulation

4316
02:43:43,990 --> 02:43:39,920
doesn't that concern you that that

4317
02:43:47,590 --> 02:43:46,230
i would say uh the possibility exists

4318
02:43:49,910 --> 02:43:47,600
there but the

4319
02:43:51,269 --> 02:43:49,920
the opportunity to go and vet all of the

4320
02:43:52,389 --> 02:43:51,279
all of the things that you see on there

4321
02:43:55,590 --> 02:43:52,399
and not just eat it like

4322
02:43:57,910 --> 02:43:55,600
uh candy is is what's what

4323
02:43:58,950 --> 02:43:57,920
has been being pushed out there well and

4324
02:44:01,349 --> 02:43:58,960
but the energy

4325
02:44:03,670 --> 02:44:01,359
that in itself is a plus you do

4326
02:44:06,710 --> 02:44:03,680
understand what i'm suggesting here

4327
02:44:09,990 --> 02:44:06,720
these are facts these are facts

4328
02:44:13,830 --> 02:44:10,000
okay these are facts and uh

4329
02:44:17,269 --> 02:44:13,840
that that in of itself uh

4330
02:44:19,349 --> 02:44:17,279
uh should raise every alarm bell

4331
02:44:20,950 --> 02:44:19,359
for you to just sit back and go well

4332
02:44:28,790 --> 02:44:20,960
somebody

4333
02:44:29,670 --> 02:44:28,800
and and that's that's where you just

4334
02:44:32,790 --> 02:44:29,680
need to

4335
02:44:33,830 --> 02:44:32,800
your discernment needs to really be on

4336
02:44:37,349 --> 02:44:33,840
high

4337
02:44:40,550 --> 02:44:37,359
when you look at who is behind and why

4338
02:44:42,230 --> 02:44:40,560
why would they do it right and this is

4339
02:44:43,990 --> 02:44:42,240
this is the thing and anybody that's

4340
02:44:46,950 --> 02:44:44,000
listening to my voice right now i've

4341
02:44:50,710 --> 02:44:46,960
made this very public

4342
02:44:55,269 --> 02:44:50,720
parlor parlor does not have

4343
02:44:57,590 --> 02:44:55,279
any income zero

4344
02:44:58,830 --> 02:44:57,600
zero income no advertising no money

4345
02:45:02,469 --> 02:44:58,840
coming in

4346
02:45:05,670 --> 02:45:02,479
nothing so why do it

4347
02:45:06,469 --> 02:45:05,680
why do it what you're you're just want

4348
02:45:09,990 --> 02:45:06,479
to just spend

4349
02:45:13,349 --> 02:45:10,000
millions of dollars for for no reason no

4350
02:45:17,030 --> 02:45:13,359
you have to stop and just wonder

4351
02:45:18,230 --> 02:45:17,040
the money behind it and what is actually

4352
02:45:20,550 --> 02:45:18,240
going on

4353
02:45:22,550 --> 02:45:20,560
that's all that i'm saying i am i'm

4354
02:45:26,269 --> 02:45:22,560
suggesting to everybody

4355
02:45:28,950 --> 02:45:26,279
to just go squinty-eyed

4356
02:45:31,910 --> 02:45:28,960
squinty-eyed man because if you

4357
02:45:34,150 --> 02:45:31,920
think that you're uh being messed with

4358
02:45:36,550 --> 02:45:34,160
and being pulled down a road

4359
02:45:37,990 --> 02:45:36,560
then you've got to ask your yourself why

4360
02:45:41,030 --> 02:45:38,000
and who is behind it

4361
02:45:43,910 --> 02:45:41,040
that's all don't go in don't go in

4362
02:45:45,510 --> 02:45:43,920
uh with both feet you cannot you cannot

4363
02:45:47,269 --> 02:45:45,520
do that

4364
02:45:49,269 --> 02:45:47,279
you just i've had i've had to pull

4365
02:45:51,349 --> 02:45:49,279
myself out of that quite a bit and

4366
02:45:52,710 --> 02:45:51,359
you're right i mean there have been like

4367
02:45:55,349 --> 02:45:52,720
uh multiple

4368
02:45:56,469 --> 02:45:55,359
uh you know like there's multiple

4369
02:45:59,830 --> 02:45:56,479
agendas going on

4370
02:46:01,349 --> 02:45:59,840
in on all social media that's right

4371
02:46:03,269 --> 02:46:01,359
there's no question about it and they

4372
02:46:06,389 --> 02:46:03,279
they bear uh such a

4373
02:46:08,389 --> 02:46:06,399
huge responsibility uh for

4374
02:46:09,590 --> 02:46:08,399
the status of not only this country but

4375
02:46:12,550 --> 02:46:09,600
the world

4376
02:46:13,110 --> 02:46:12,560
and yeah that's that's all of social

4377
02:46:20,550 --> 02:46:13,120
media

4378
02:46:24,150 --> 02:46:20,560
general

4379
02:46:27,510 --> 02:46:24,160
has the ability to tone all of this

4380
02:46:27,910 --> 02:46:27,520
stuff down to bring down the temperature

4381
02:46:34,469 --> 02:46:27,920
to

4382
02:46:37,750 --> 02:46:34,479
and they are not doing it i am

4383
02:46:41,269 --> 02:46:37,760
shocked i am shocked

4384
02:46:44,790 --> 02:46:41,279
i i and i i told everybody and i

4385
02:46:45,830 --> 02:46:44,800
i mean this from the very bones of my

4386
02:46:49,190 --> 02:46:45,840
soul

4387
02:46:52,710 --> 02:46:49,200
that uh in in late january

4388
02:46:55,190 --> 02:46:52,720
you will hear from me i will

4389
02:46:55,910 --> 02:46:55,200
i will spell everything out until then

4390
02:46:57,750 --> 02:46:55,920
until then

4391
02:46:59,590 --> 02:46:57,760
let's let this thing play out let's see

4392
02:47:01,110 --> 02:46:59,600
what actually happens

4393
02:47:02,630 --> 02:47:01,120
all right but there are going to be some

4394
02:47:06,309 --> 02:47:02,640
people out there

4395
02:47:07,910 --> 02:47:06,319
uh hundreds of thousands uh maybe even a

4396
02:47:10,070 --> 02:47:07,920
bigger number than that

4397
02:47:11,030 --> 02:47:10,080
that are going to have their hearts

4398
02:47:13,030 --> 02:47:11,040
broken

4399
02:47:14,070 --> 02:47:13,040
and they are going to question

4400
02:47:17,110 --> 02:47:14,080
everything

4401
02:47:18,469 --> 02:47:17,120
around them and and i'm not saying

4402
02:47:21,510 --> 02:47:18,479
anything further right now

4403
02:47:24,550 --> 02:47:21,520
i'm just gonna let it play out um there

4404
02:47:26,150 --> 02:47:24,560
is nobody that enjoys uh conspiracy more

4405
02:47:29,510 --> 02:47:26,160
than me

4406
02:47:32,710 --> 02:47:29,520
there's nobody i i i i enjoy it

4407
02:47:34,389 --> 02:47:32,720
but i don't commit myself

4408
02:47:36,070 --> 02:47:34,399
you can't yeah they can't can't be

4409
02:47:36,630 --> 02:47:36,080
committed they can't be committed to

4410
02:47:39,349 --> 02:47:36,640
just one

4411
02:47:39,750 --> 02:47:39,359
one pathway i mean there's always this

4412
02:47:41,510 --> 02:47:39,760
one

4413
02:47:42,950 --> 02:47:41,520
another possibility that's just gonna

4414
02:47:45,269 --> 02:47:42,960
spring its head out of there and

4415
02:47:47,030 --> 02:47:45,279
and uh maybe that's even acceptable to

4416
02:47:48,630 --> 02:47:47,040
them but they're not thinking of it yet

4417
02:47:49,190 --> 02:47:48,640
so you're right on point with that jimmy

4418
02:47:56,070 --> 02:47:49,200
i

4419
02:47:59,910 --> 02:47:56,080
you thank you so much max

4420
02:48:03,030 --> 02:47:59,920
and like i said just be squinty eyed man

4421
02:48:03,590 --> 02:48:03,040
squinty and i you know what i said the

4422
02:48:07,190 --> 02:48:03,600
other day

4423
02:48:07,750 --> 02:48:07,200
and i meant this if if somebody out

4424
02:48:10,790 --> 02:48:07,760
there

4425
02:48:14,070 --> 02:48:10,800
someone something is telling you

4426
02:48:16,710 --> 02:48:14,080
that you can't trust your family

4427
02:48:18,150 --> 02:48:16,720
or you can't trust your friends and that

4428
02:48:20,870 --> 02:48:18,160
they are wrong and they are

4429
02:48:22,389 --> 02:48:20,880
evil and you need to trust them that

4430
02:48:23,269 --> 02:48:22,399
right there that's where you pump the

4431
02:48:26,790 --> 02:48:23,279
brakes

4432
02:48:30,150 --> 02:48:26,800
that kind of divisiveness

4433
02:48:32,790 --> 02:48:30,160
uh no no so just go squinty-eyed

4434
02:48:34,230 --> 02:48:32,800
and you'll be healthier that's all max

4435
02:48:36,309 --> 02:48:34,240
enjoy the rest of your night my man

4436
02:48:38,389 --> 02:48:36,319
thank you so much

4437
02:48:40,230 --> 02:48:38,399
if i could say one more thing an apology

4438
02:48:42,630 --> 02:48:40,240
to gene gene uh i

4439
02:48:44,309 --> 02:48:42,640
kind of screwed up on on twitter the

4440
02:48:46,630 --> 02:48:44,319
other day and i apologize but

4441
02:48:48,630 --> 02:48:46,640
have a good night everybody not a

4442
02:48:51,750 --> 02:48:48,640
problem man

4443
02:48:52,950 --> 02:48:51,760
i'm sure gene understands we'll see you

4444
02:49:00,389 --> 02:48:52,960
tomorrow night max

4445
02:49:04,550 --> 02:49:03,269
yeah yeah max is the best let's go back

4446
02:49:07,269 --> 02:49:04,560
to the phones

4447
02:49:08,469 --> 02:49:07,279
and uh and the the phone lines are

4448
02:49:09,830 --> 02:49:08,479
lighting up all of a sudden

4449
02:49:12,230 --> 02:49:09,840
hi you're live on fade to black who's

4450
02:49:15,510 --> 02:49:12,240
calling hi jimmy steb

4451
02:49:17,429 --> 02:49:15,520
hey deb how are you very good you look

4452
02:49:19,349 --> 02:49:17,439
much better tonight i have to say

4453
02:49:21,110 --> 02:49:19,359
yeah right on right on i feel like

4454
02:49:22,790 --> 02:49:21,120
you're feeling better five percent

4455
02:49:25,190 --> 02:49:22,800
better

4456
02:49:25,990 --> 02:49:25,200
well we got to get up to 100 pretty soon

4457
02:49:29,510 --> 02:49:26,000
here uh

4458
02:49:31,990 --> 02:49:29,520
we'll see we'll see fingers across

4459
02:49:33,750 --> 02:49:32,000
what's on your mind yeah well you were

4460
02:49:35,190 --> 02:49:33,760
just addressing parlor and so i wanted

4461
02:49:36,630 --> 02:49:35,200
to comment on that since you guys were

4462
02:49:39,190 --> 02:49:36,640
talking about it

4463
02:49:40,150 --> 02:49:39,200
um i would say that at this point

4464
02:49:43,269 --> 02:49:40,160
between

4465
02:49:44,870 --> 02:49:43,279
parlor and twitter twitter has

4466
02:49:48,309 --> 02:49:44,880
demonstrated to me

4467
02:49:49,349 --> 02:49:48,319
very clearly that i can't freely speak

4468
02:49:51,750 --> 02:49:49,359
on there

4469
02:49:52,790 --> 02:49:51,760
they edit a lot of what we put they pull

4470
02:49:56,309 --> 02:49:52,800
it they

4471
02:49:57,990 --> 02:49:56,319
edit our they put you know things on the

4472
02:50:00,630 --> 02:49:58,000
president's tweet saying you know

4473
02:50:01,990 --> 02:50:00,640
this is disinformation you know take

4474
02:50:04,389 --> 02:50:02,000
this with a grain of salt

4475
02:50:06,150 --> 02:50:04,399
so i i've already been you know

4476
02:50:07,750 --> 02:50:06,160
convinced by twitter that i can't trust

4477
02:50:10,150 --> 02:50:07,760
them as far as parlor

4478
02:50:11,910 --> 02:50:10,160
i've just started to use parlor and so

4479
02:50:13,349 --> 02:50:11,920
far it's been a good experience now if

4480
02:50:14,150 --> 02:50:13,359
it gets to a point where they also

4481
02:50:17,910 --> 02:50:14,160
censor us

4482
02:50:20,710 --> 02:50:17,920
than their history but the mainstream

4483
02:50:22,550 --> 02:50:20,720
social media platforms have proved to

4484
02:50:24,630 --> 02:50:22,560
the people at this point that

4485
02:50:26,469 --> 02:50:24,640
they can't be trusted anything they're

4486
02:50:27,190 --> 02:50:26,479
censoring like crazy over on youtube

4487
02:50:28,469 --> 02:50:27,200
anything

4488
02:50:29,750 --> 02:50:28,479
and i won't say the words on your

4489
02:50:31,750 --> 02:50:29,760
channel because i don't want to get you

4490
02:50:33,750 --> 02:50:31,760
d platform but what you talk about as

4491
02:50:35,670 --> 02:50:33,760
far as the conspiracy going on

4492
02:50:37,990 --> 02:50:35,680
if you bring up those words they pull

4493
02:50:39,670 --> 02:50:38,000
the video and they do platform people

4494
02:50:41,429 --> 02:50:39,680
they take down their channels so

4495
02:50:43,030 --> 02:50:41,439
they've proven to the people too that

4496
02:50:46,070 --> 02:50:43,040
they can't be trusted

4497
02:50:50,309 --> 02:50:48,389
you know as far as information i don't

4498
02:50:53,190 --> 02:50:50,319
rely on those platforms

4499
02:50:54,870 --> 02:50:53,200
i rely on my information through um

4500
02:50:58,790 --> 02:50:54,880
credible news channels like

4501
02:51:00,230 --> 02:50:58,800
newsmax and oan and um

4502
02:51:02,309 --> 02:51:00,240
there's another one i can't remember the

4503
02:51:03,030 --> 02:51:02,319
title but and then there's like steve

4504
02:51:04,870 --> 02:51:03,040
bannon's

4505
02:51:06,710 --> 02:51:04,880
room and there's a lot of credible

4506
02:51:08,309 --> 02:51:06,720
sources out there and i also watched the

4507
02:51:11,349 --> 02:51:08,319
hearings

4508
02:51:12,389 --> 02:51:11,359
on those channels live with each state

4509
02:51:13,910 --> 02:51:12,399
and all the

4510
02:51:15,670 --> 02:51:13,920
witness testimony and what's been

4511
02:51:18,550 --> 02:51:15,680
happening all the proof coming forward

4512
02:51:19,830 --> 02:51:18,560
so i know it's not a conspiracy and so i

4513
02:51:22,070 --> 02:51:19,840
feel like i'm getting my

4514
02:51:23,990 --> 02:51:22,080
resources from or my information from

4515
02:51:25,110 --> 02:51:24,000
credible resources

4516
02:51:27,429 --> 02:51:25,120
and i don't want to make this a

4517
02:51:27,670 --> 02:51:27,439
political call um i don't want to make

4518
02:51:34,070 --> 02:51:27,680
it

4519
02:51:36,230 --> 02:51:34,080
what you guys have been talking about

4520
02:51:38,150 --> 02:51:36,240
what you've been bringing up so

4521
02:51:39,349 --> 02:51:38,160
that's all i want to say though about it

4522
02:51:41,190 --> 02:51:39,359
i mean

4523
02:51:43,030 --> 02:51:41,200
you know i don't feel like i'm because

4524
02:51:45,110 --> 02:51:43,040
of those resources i don't feel like i'm

4525
02:51:45,670 --> 02:51:45,120
being manipulated by algorithms at this

4526
02:51:48,790 --> 02:51:45,680
point

4527
02:51:50,309 --> 02:51:48,800
know we've talked about the algorithm

4528
02:51:52,230 --> 02:51:50,319
thing and the social

4529
02:51:54,230 --> 02:51:52,240
um dilemma and i've told you we've

4530
02:51:57,030 --> 02:51:54,240
talked about that i've watched it

4531
02:51:57,830 --> 02:51:57,040
i totally get your point uh my point is

4532
02:52:01,910 --> 02:51:57,840
a simple one

4533
02:52:04,389 --> 02:52:01,920
cambridge analytica owns parlor

4534
02:52:05,429 --> 02:52:04,399
right and if you want to trust that

4535
02:52:07,750 --> 02:52:05,439
that's that's

4536
02:52:08,630 --> 02:52:07,760
and if you feel that that is what you

4537
02:52:11,750 --> 02:52:08,640
need to do

4538
02:52:15,830 --> 02:52:11,760
then then go and do it that's it my

4539
02:52:18,710 --> 02:52:15,840
my my point is a very very clear one

4540
02:52:19,510 --> 02:52:18,720
and the outrage that was behind

4541
02:52:22,790 --> 02:52:19,520
cambridge

4542
02:52:25,190 --> 02:52:22,800
analytica and and what they were doing

4543
02:52:26,790 --> 02:52:25,200
and and the money behind it and the

4544
02:52:30,150 --> 02:52:26,800
objectives behind it

4545
02:52:34,389 --> 02:52:30,160
pissed everybody off including yourself

4546
02:52:37,429 --> 02:52:34,399
and now you say well that doesn't matter

4547
02:52:38,790 --> 02:52:37,439
i'm not saying it matters it matters it

4548
02:52:40,550 --> 02:52:38,800
matters

4549
02:52:42,950 --> 02:52:40,560
you're right it does matter and like i

4550
02:52:44,630 --> 02:52:42,960
said i've just started you know logging

4551
02:52:47,349 --> 02:52:44,640
on over there because

4552
02:52:49,269 --> 02:52:47,359
i'm not d platformed i'm not censored if

4553
02:52:51,269 --> 02:52:49,279
i suspect anything like that's going on

4554
02:52:52,870 --> 02:52:51,279
i won't trust it and i'll close my

4555
02:52:56,070 --> 02:52:52,880
account over there

4556
02:52:57,670 --> 02:52:56,080
the point is you know where do we go

4557
02:52:59,269 --> 02:52:57,680
for our information where we're not

4558
02:53:00,230 --> 02:52:59,279
where we feel like we can trust the

4559
02:53:01,590 --> 02:53:00,240
information

4560
02:53:04,150 --> 02:53:01,600
where we don't feel like we're being

4561
02:53:04,950 --> 02:53:04,160
alive to and that was the point i was

4562
02:53:07,429 --> 02:53:04,960
trying to make is

4563
02:53:08,230 --> 02:53:07,439
i have resources that are not on the

4564
02:53:11,349 --> 02:53:08,240
internet

4565
02:53:13,670 --> 02:53:11,359
that i'm watching live hearings on tv

4566
02:53:15,269 --> 02:53:13,680
on channels that don't edit it and are

4567
02:53:18,230 --> 02:53:15,279
letting the truth out

4568
02:53:18,630 --> 02:53:18,240
and so there are good resources out

4569
02:53:21,750 --> 02:53:18,640
there

4570
02:53:25,030 --> 02:53:21,760
right it's your truth

4571
02:53:27,269 --> 02:53:25,040
okay all right okay deb enjoy the rest

4572
02:53:28,870 --> 02:53:27,279
of your night and we'll see you tomorrow

4573
02:53:30,469 --> 02:53:28,880
i'm so glad you're better jimmy

4574
02:53:32,710 --> 02:53:30,479
seriously thank you deb

4575
02:53:34,309 --> 02:53:32,720
have a great night okay you too dear

4576
02:53:38,230 --> 02:53:34,319
right on right on

4577
02:53:42,630 --> 02:53:38,240
uh be careful folks be very

4578
02:53:44,389 --> 02:53:42,640
very careful be very careful

4579
02:53:45,830 --> 02:53:44,399
and uh let's go back to the phones let's

4580
02:53:48,230 --> 02:53:45,840
see who's up next how you're live on

4581
02:53:50,389 --> 02:53:48,240
fade to black who's calling

4582
02:53:51,990 --> 02:53:50,399
yeah how you doing jim steve from new

4583
02:53:55,510 --> 02:53:52,000
jersey hey steve from new

4584
02:53:57,190 --> 02:53:55,520
jersey how are you good good first uh

4585
02:53:58,710 --> 02:53:57,200
first time caller long time listener

4586
02:54:00,309 --> 02:53:58,720
it's an honor to be talking to you it

4587
02:54:01,349 --> 02:54:00,319
was great to hear john burroughs on

4588
02:54:03,750 --> 02:54:01,359
tonight

4589
02:54:05,910 --> 02:54:03,760
uh it's really been great to see him

4590
02:54:06,309 --> 02:54:05,920
even after all these years keep his mind

4591
02:54:07,990 --> 02:54:06,319
open

4592
02:54:10,710 --> 02:54:08,000
and i'll realize that there's a lot we

4593
02:54:13,190 --> 02:54:10,720
all continue to need to look at

4594
02:54:15,110 --> 02:54:13,200
but um speaking of rendleshim since he

4595
02:54:17,349 --> 02:54:15,120
was on tonight i was wondering

4596
02:54:18,630 --> 02:54:17,359
as i continue to listen and i'm sure

4597
02:54:20,309 --> 02:54:18,640
you've been following all the

4598
02:54:22,710 --> 02:54:20,319
developments going on at skinwalker

4599
02:54:25,910 --> 02:54:22,720
ranch and erica luke's

4600
02:54:27,990 --> 02:54:25,920
but i'm starting to hear a lot of

4601
02:54:28,950 --> 02:54:28,000
the theory put out there that renders

4602
02:54:31,750 --> 02:54:28,960
has this

4603
02:54:33,110 --> 02:54:31,760
phenomenon going on that's being

4604
02:54:34,710 --> 02:54:33,120
continually looked at

4605
02:54:36,870 --> 02:54:34,720
and uh and i feel like there's a lot of

4606
02:54:40,150 --> 02:54:36,880
parallels being drawn between

4607
02:54:42,790 --> 02:54:40,160
skinwalker ranch and uh the rental shown

4608
02:54:44,309 --> 02:54:42,800
as far as possible uh disinformation and

4609
02:54:45,429 --> 02:54:44,319
i just wanted to see if you had any

4610
02:54:47,510 --> 02:54:45,439
thoughts about that

4611
02:54:49,349 --> 02:54:47,520
i can take my call oh well let me uh let

4612
02:54:53,349 --> 02:54:49,359
me throw this back to you steve

4613
02:55:00,070 --> 02:54:56,790
uh well it seems like there's uh

4614
02:55:02,630 --> 02:55:00,080
a big push to continually look at this

4615
02:55:04,150 --> 02:55:02,640
never really defined but always called

4616
02:55:06,870 --> 02:55:04,160
phenomenon

4617
02:55:08,550 --> 02:55:06,880
um although these areas with high

4618
02:55:11,190 --> 02:55:08,560
phenomenon seem to

4619
02:55:12,469 --> 02:55:11,200
be very uh closely linked to military

4620
02:55:15,030 --> 02:55:12,479
installations

4621
02:55:15,990 --> 02:55:15,040
and uh i can't help but draw the

4622
02:55:19,510 --> 02:55:16,000
parallels between

4623
02:55:22,070 --> 02:55:19,520
the two hmm well

4624
02:55:23,910 --> 02:55:22,080
what uh what i'm waiting for when it

4625
02:55:27,030 --> 02:55:23,920
comes to skinwalker

4626
02:55:30,309 --> 02:55:27,040
is something right i haven't

4627
02:55:31,910 --> 02:55:30,319
i haven't i haven't seen heard

4628
02:55:35,429 --> 02:55:31,920
anything definitive come out of

4629
02:55:37,750 --> 02:55:35,439
skinwalker heard a lot of stories

4630
02:55:38,630 --> 02:55:37,760
there's definitely that part of it there

4631
02:55:42,150 --> 02:55:38,640
but there isn't

4632
02:55:45,190 --> 02:55:42,160
anything uh for me uh i'm waiting for it

4633
02:55:48,389 --> 02:55:45,200
and and i i hope that something happens

4634
02:55:50,070 --> 02:55:48,399
i haven't seen anything definitive come

4635
02:55:53,510 --> 02:55:50,080
out of skinwalker

4636
02:55:55,670 --> 02:55:53,520
and so until that happens i i'm not sure

4637
02:55:57,830 --> 02:55:55,680
about the parallels that could be drawn

4638
02:55:59,190 --> 02:55:57,840
does that i'm not suggesting that there

4639
02:56:02,150 --> 02:55:59,200
isn't high strangeness

4640
02:56:03,910 --> 02:56:02,160
at skinwalker uh i've i've been to

4641
02:56:05,590 --> 02:56:03,920
several locations around the united

4642
02:56:06,389 --> 02:56:05,600
states where there are crazy things that

4643
02:56:09,070 --> 02:56:06,399
happen i

4644
02:56:10,550 --> 02:56:09,080
definitely feel that is it's

4645
02:56:13,190 --> 02:56:10,560
location-based

4646
02:56:14,230 --> 02:56:13,200
and it's it has to do with with the

4647
02:56:17,110 --> 02:56:14,240
grounds or

4648
02:56:18,870 --> 02:56:17,120
it could even be historical uh it could

4649
02:56:21,349 --> 02:56:18,880
be spiritual it could be

4650
02:56:22,550 --> 02:56:21,359
uh something that's more

4651
02:56:24,710 --> 02:56:22,560
interdimensional

4652
02:56:25,990 --> 02:56:24,720
uh something that is vortex related but

4653
02:56:28,870 --> 02:56:26,000
i i certainly believe

4654
02:56:30,070 --> 02:56:28,880
that i haven't seen that come out of

4655
02:56:32,790 --> 02:56:30,080
skinwalker

4656
02:56:33,990 --> 02:56:32,800
the difference between randall shim and

4657
02:56:36,710 --> 02:56:34,000
everything else

4658
02:56:37,590 --> 02:56:36,720
is that rental shim is documented with

4659
02:56:40,070 --> 02:56:37,600
witnesses

4660
02:56:41,990 --> 02:56:40,080
that have have come forward we have a

4661
02:56:45,269 --> 02:56:42,000
paper trail that's a mile long

4662
02:56:48,630 --> 02:56:45,279
uh we have uh so much that is there

4663
02:56:50,389 --> 02:56:48,640
with randallshim and it's a a military

4664
02:56:53,349 --> 02:56:50,399
air force based

4665
02:56:54,230 --> 02:56:53,359
incident uh through the military that is

4666
02:56:57,750 --> 02:56:54,240
modern

4667
02:56:59,990 --> 02:56:57,760
it's a fascinating case that's uh

4668
02:57:01,269 --> 02:57:00,000
yes absolutely absolutely and and again

4669
02:57:03,670 --> 02:57:01,279
that uh

4670
02:57:04,389 --> 02:57:03,680
brings me back to the parallels uh as

4671
02:57:06,550 --> 02:57:04,399
you brought up

4672
02:57:08,389 --> 02:57:06,560
you know most of if not all of these

4673
02:57:12,070 --> 02:57:08,399
witnesses from rendelsham

4674
02:57:15,030 --> 02:57:12,080
are all military witnesses

4675
02:57:17,030 --> 02:57:15,040
whereas at skinwalker ranch all of the

4676
02:57:19,110 --> 02:57:17,040
witnesses that we at least know of

4677
02:57:20,230 --> 02:57:19,120
that have seen this high strangeness are

4678
02:57:21,830 --> 02:57:20,240
also

4679
02:57:24,070 --> 02:57:21,840
at least being outsourced by the

4680
02:57:26,550 --> 02:57:24,080
government through uh basketball

4681
02:57:28,630 --> 02:57:26,560
absolutely absolutely and i've always

4682
02:57:30,630 --> 02:57:28,640
wondered about that connection

4683
02:57:32,150 --> 02:57:30,640
uh there's there's no there's no

4684
02:57:34,389 --> 02:57:32,160
question about it i i'm just

4685
02:57:36,710 --> 02:57:34,399
waiting for that steve you know i would

4686
02:57:39,990 --> 02:57:36,720
love to see a a piece of video

4687
02:57:43,110 --> 02:57:40,000
i would like to see a ufo over

4688
02:57:45,349 --> 02:57:43,120
uh skinwalker something that's landed

4689
02:57:46,389 --> 02:57:45,359
uh you know something radar says you

4690
02:57:49,110 --> 02:57:46,399
know something

4691
02:57:50,630 --> 02:57:49,120
i've heard that there are those videos i

4692
02:57:50,950 --> 02:57:50,640
haven't seen them i've heard that there

4693
02:57:53,110 --> 02:57:50,960
are

4694
02:57:54,389 --> 02:57:53,120
uh photographs i haven't seen them

4695
02:57:56,870 --> 02:57:54,399
nobody has

4696
02:57:58,630 --> 02:57:56,880
you know uh right but uh it's it's

4697
02:57:59,429 --> 02:57:58,640
totally fascinating i've never been

4698
02:58:04,469 --> 02:57:59,439
there

4699
02:58:05,910 --> 02:58:04,479
like to go up uh possibly one day

4700
02:58:07,990 --> 02:58:05,920
and check it out and spend some time

4701
02:58:10,230 --> 02:58:08,000
there to see what is happening

4702
02:58:12,630 --> 02:58:10,240
uh there's no question about it uh

4703
02:58:15,670 --> 02:58:12,640
randall totally different

4704
02:58:17,269 --> 02:58:15,680
go ahead no no i was just gonna say

4705
02:58:17,990 --> 02:58:17,279
certainly a lot of long-term reports

4706
02:58:21,349 --> 02:58:18,000
going on from

4707
02:58:22,950 --> 02:58:21,359
within that basin again just with uh

4708
02:58:25,030 --> 02:58:22,960
you know taking with a grain of salt

4709
02:58:26,550 --> 02:58:25,040
always because of the uh the nature

4710
02:58:28,389 --> 02:58:26,560
of where a lot of the reports seem to

4711
02:58:29,910 --> 02:58:28,399
stem from um

4712
02:58:31,910 --> 02:58:29,920
and again with renders from being the

4713
02:58:33,670 --> 02:58:31,920
same uh

4714
02:58:35,269 --> 02:58:33,680
the same issue you know with a very

4715
02:58:37,830 --> 02:58:35,279
close military ties

4716
02:58:39,429 --> 02:58:37,840
yeah yeah what i don't want to see uh

4717
02:58:40,870 --> 02:58:39,439
skinwalker turn into

4718
02:58:42,950 --> 02:58:40,880
and i'm right at the end of the show

4719
02:58:45,110 --> 02:58:42,960
steve so uh i'll say this

4720
02:58:46,550 --> 02:58:45,120
really quick yeah a great phone call

4721
02:58:49,910 --> 02:58:46,560
what i don't want to see

4722
02:58:52,710 --> 02:58:49,920
uh skinwalker turn into is like

4723
02:58:54,710 --> 02:58:52,720
the curse of oak island right where

4724
02:58:57,990 --> 02:58:54,720
there's no resolution and it just

4725
02:59:01,269 --> 02:58:58,000
continues and continues and continues

4726
02:59:02,790 --> 02:59:01,279
without having anything brought forward

4727
02:59:04,550 --> 02:59:02,800
that's that's what i don't want to see

4728
02:59:07,750 --> 02:59:04,560
skinwalker turn into

4729
02:59:09,750 --> 02:59:07,760
and and 300 years and right 10 seasons

4730
02:59:11,590 --> 02:59:09,760
and still digging right

4731
02:59:13,269 --> 02:59:11,600
steve great phone call my man thank you

4732
02:59:14,469 --> 02:59:13,279
so much we love first time callers

4733
02:59:16,070 --> 02:59:14,479
around here

4734
02:59:19,190 --> 02:59:16,080
thanks a lot jimmy keep up the good work

4735
02:59:25,590 --> 02:59:22,710
and uh and with that that wraps another

4736
02:59:26,870 --> 02:59:25,600
episode of fade to black i want to thank

4737
02:59:29,750 --> 02:59:26,880
john burroughs

4738
02:59:30,550 --> 02:59:29,760
great great great interview again

4739
02:59:32,710 --> 02:59:30,560
tonight

4740
02:59:34,469 --> 02:59:32,720
and of course james worrow coming in

4741
02:59:38,150 --> 02:59:34,479
live from the uk

4742
02:59:41,870 --> 02:59:38,160
the book is going to be released

4743
02:59:43,510 --> 02:59:41,880
tomorrow the links for it are over at

4744
02:59:45,269 --> 02:59:43,520
jimmychurchradio.com i can't say it

4745
02:59:47,510 --> 02:59:45,279
enough i've read it three times i'm

4746
02:59:49,349 --> 02:59:47,520
gonna read it three more

4747
02:59:51,429 --> 02:59:49,359
fate of blacks executive producers rita

4748
02:59:53,030 --> 02:59:51,439
kamarian shows produced by hill j paul

4749
02:59:55,030 --> 02:59:53,040
renee dennis and kevin

4750
02:59:57,110 --> 02:59:55,040
announcers are steve harder gene vettel

4751
02:59:57,830 --> 02:59:57,120
and mark d kobar webmaster is drew the

4752
03:00:01,550 --> 02:59:57,840
geek

4753
03:00:03,429 --> 03:00:01,560
music doug aldridge intro spaceboy

4754
03:00:05,269 --> 03:00:03,439
spaceboymusic.com fade to black is

4755
03:00:05,990 --> 03:00:05,279
produced by kjcr for the game changer

4756
03:00:09,830 --> 03:00:06,000
network

4757
03:00:11,990 --> 03:00:09,840
syndication is ktra the planet this

4758
03:00:13,349 --> 03:00:12,000
broadcast owned a copyrighted 2020 by

4759
03:00:13,990 --> 03:00:13,359
fade to black and the game changer

4760
03:00:15,910 --> 03:00:14,000
network

4761
03:00:17,510 --> 03:00:15,920
it cannot be rebroadcast downloaded

4762
03:00:18,150 --> 03:00:17,520
copied or used anywhere in the known

4763
03:00:19,830 --> 03:00:18,160
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4764
03:00:21,429 --> 03:00:19,840
without written permission from fade to

4765
03:00:24,309 --> 03:00:21,439
black of the game changer network

4766
03:00:26,070 --> 03:00:24,319
tomorrow night right here billy carson

4767
03:00:29,750 --> 03:00:26,080
his new book

4768
03:00:30,150 --> 03:00:29,760
woke doesn't mean broke until tomorrow

4769
03:00:41,050 --> 03:00:30,160
night

4770
03:00:41,060 --> 03:01:04,830
[Music]

4771
03:01:04,840 --> 03:01:08,850
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